010 - Recentering on What Matters Most
Slow living has never been more relevant in our post-pandemic world.
A lot of us have come to a point where we just want our lives to be centered on what matters the most to us. It may sound very simple, until you realize just how many entanglements and attachments you’ve committed yourself to.
This is a conversation that has come up in a lot of my dialogues with clients, family, friends and colleagues. I’ve certainly experienced this as well, but what I have come to realize is that these entanglements (and releasing them) are just part of the process of reconnecting, to get back on track and learning to allow life to flow.
Today, I’m joined by someone who leads from his head and his heart, someone who gets excited with constant challenges in life – Eric Godoy, along with a very familiar walking partner – Billy Ward.
In This Episode
(02:33) - The longing to have that feeling of being soul-centered
(10:18) - Recognizing what’s getting in the way of centering our lives around what matters most
(19:45) - Surrender – I’ve meant it in so many ways
(20:49) - Paying attention to your inner dialogue
(27:38) - Acknowledging the need to slow down and taking a step back
(30:17) - Holding more space for self-compassion
(37:46) - Creating space from stories and how it allows Eric to sit in a soul-centered place
(47:23) - A day that Billy will never forget
(54:25) - How rituals and practices help us feel into this soul-centered way of being
(1:00:03) - Being at peace with what’s rising
Notable Quotes
-
“What gets in the way, it really is ultimately just me. I’m at the stage now where I’m sitting in there and sitting in that, being present in my life. And I’m at the stage where I can see the contrast. I’m starting to note the contrast of when I get in the way, and then what’s happening as a result of it, versus just sitting in that seat and saying, ‘You know what, I’m sitting here permanently’. I realize how much I just get in the way and that’s where my work is unfolding daily to get out of my own way so I can just surrender.”
-
“If I hadn’t made this commitment to myself years ago and I hadn’t amped it up a year ago, I wouldn’t have been able to show up in the way that I did, first for myself, but then for my two boys. I spoke about social media holding circles. I came home after my boys and I held a circle with Julie and her girls, and my boys with Grover in the middle. And I allowed space and held space for everyone to express where they were in that moment. For me, all this inner work plays out in all of life, and sometimes it requires us to stand in our truth and to stand in love in the midst of things that are really hard to move through. But we, as human beings, have the capacity to move through those things with grace and love and truth, especially when we’re committed to this soulful, soul-centered life.”
Our Guests
Eric Godoy – “I start each day making a choice to lead from my heart and my head. I am incredibly passionate, energetic and strive to be a peacemaker. I am a people pleaser, friendly, trusting, easygoing, empathetic and compassionate. I am blessed to be able to live these values when being a father, husband, son, sibling and true friend. I am a constant learner, reader, sharer, teacher, athlete, real estate investor, coach, listener, joker, striving chef and adapter. The constant challenges in life get me excited. Life is not about waiting for the storm to pass but rather be the eye of the storm for myself and those around me.
Billy Ward is a motivational speaker, mental health advocate, life coach and former professional football player. His podcast, The Billy Ward Podcast, aims to help people live with greater awareness so that they can experience more peace, freedom, joy and love.
Resources & Links
On This Walk
-
Luke (00:00:01):
Welcome to On This Walk, a show about the winding journey of life in all its realness. I'm Luke Iorio. Please join me and my brilliant heart centered guests each week, as we look to navigate this journey more consciously and authentically. Uncovering how to tap back into that sense of connection with self, with soul and with something bigger than ourselves. Now let's go on this walk.
I wanted to bring these two gentlemen together today because we've been having this conversations at times individually, times even out on the trails, quite literally, on this walk together, this conversation is one that not only has come up for us, but I'm finding it's coming up in a lot of dialogues with coaching clients, friends, family, colleagues, and so on. Maybe it's because it's so top of mind for many of us coming out of the pandemic, this most interesting period of time that we've been living in and what I'm hearing people say, or things like this, I wanna simplify my life. I want my life to come from a place that's more centered on the things that matter most to me. They'll make these statements that are then followed by, but the bills, but the kids, but my schedule, but my job, but all the adulting.
Sound familiar? It's a list of stories and entanglements that they start to list out that has them feeling that they can't structure life in this way. That's intentionally built around what matters most. I know that even for myself, I've had these entanglements, I've had these struggles. I've had many of these same stories and frankly, excuses and rationalizations, other times I've just simply felt too fatigued by it all. I think what I'm starting to realize though, what I'm interested in getting into in this conversation is I recognize that when I get a little bit off track, it's almost as if that I have forgotten this idea of living what matters, living with what matters at the center of my life, of our lives or what I'd even call soul-centered living, that this way of living, it's a process. It's not about our circumstances. It's an ongoing way of creating this.
It's a way of shaping it to be able to align there consistently, as opposed to looking around my life and judging whether it matches up to the circumstances, match what I would like them to be, to feel like I have lived for my center. That's not it. This is an inside out journey and process. It's not circumstantial and it's not by chance either. I recognize within myself that there's this longing to have that feeling of being soul-centered, just at the very, very core of my life, the way that I create from my center and then outward. And that longing is also a recognition of the ebb and flow of how it comes and goes, how sometimes it feels like it's there and other times it feels like it's not. And yet I know that even when we've lost our way, if we can reconnect to recognize that living what matters is a process, it's not simply our circumstances, well then we'll always have a road back.
This is the conversation that I wanted to get into with these two gentlemen today. One is a familiar voice and face to you, the other is new. So first let me introduce you to our new guest, Eric Godoy. And when I reached out to Eric to figure out how we wanted to introduce him to the show today, he sent me this and I thought it was just a beautiful way of being able to introduce him to you. As he writes, "I start each day making a choice to lead from my head and my heart. I am incredibly passionate, energetic, and strive to be a peacemaker. I'm a people pleaser, friendly, trusting, easygoing, empathetic, and compassionate. I am blessed to be able to live these values while being a father, husband, son, sibling, and true friend. I'm a constant learner, reader, sharer, teacher, athlete, real estate investor, coach, listener, joker, striving chef. The constant challenges in life get me excited. Life is not about waiting for the storm to pass, but rather be the eye of the storm for myself and those around me." I think that's a beautiful introduction to who Eric is.
Our other guest, our other walking partner for today, you'll recognize as Billy Ward. Billy Ward, as I've told you, was one of the more authentic human beings that I know. He is also a motivational speaker, mental health advocate, life coach, former professional football player, and his podcast, The Billy Ward Podcast, aims to help people live with greater awareness so that they can experience more peace, freedom, joy, and love in their lives. And with that, I wanna invite you into our conversation. It's time. Let's go on this walk.
I guess maybe if, if I kick us off here, is it when, when you think about those things that have, or even currently are keeping you from living what matters most at the center of your life, I'm just curious what comes up for you. Like when you think of what are the things that have been in the way might still be in the way, what are some of the first, you know, thoughts and ideas and expressions that come to you when you hear that, Billy if I can start with you?
Billy (00:05:13):
Yeah. You know, the first thing that comes up for me, Luke is, and we've been together in the last couple of months, in person and in touch over the phone, etcetera, etcetera. And I've been really crystal clear the last couple of months with regards to being soul-centered. And my number one intention every day is my inner work, and I'll tell you why. What I'm doing internally, whether it's my morning routine or practicing yoga or meditation, or getting out into nature, in the woods, that self care and, and that intention to live soul-centered impacts everything else that I do and allows me to show up as my fullest self, no matter who I'm with or no matter what kind of chaos I might find myself in the midst of. And I could share a couple stories as we get going, but I think for me, prior to the last couple months, you know, like everybody else, my work, my attention that I give to my children, my social life, some of these things historically have, have gotten in the way, but I've been really clear and crystal clear these last three to six months about first and foremost, creating that soul-centered feeling and attention and intention within myself, because I've had such a profound experience with regards to the result of that intention. It just, it allows me, as I said, to show up as my fullest self and to be present and to hold space for whatever environment I'm in. And I gotta tell you, the more you show up like that, the more connection you experience, the more joy you experience and the more love that, that just keeps kind of coming in. And it's an amazing flow state, soul-centered kind of feeling that I'm not willing to give up for anything right now.
Luke (00:07:08):
I can feel just the flow of that, right? You describe it as the profound experience of the result of placing this at the center of your life and having that intention that you hold onto very dearly and devotedly is having such a wonderful impact. I think we can hear that in just the way you're coming across. I can hear the joy that's there. I can hear the ease that's there and the way that you express it. And I guess I'm also, just before I, I want to ask Eric for some of this as well, but I guess I'm also curious about what created that clear intention for you and maybe even a better way of saying that isn't just the intention, but the commitment, maybe that's what I'm getting at.
Billy (00:07:49):
Right. I think that's a great question. And what immediately comes up for me is what does that life not look like? And for me, I'm an emotional, sensitive, I'm alive. And prior to this full commitment, I felt as a result, of that out of balance at times, off those soul-centered rails. And because of that juxtaposition, I just put so much value in the attention that I give myself and my soul on, on a daily basis. And I've always had a morning routine from lemon water to meditation, to prayer, to setting intentions, to moving and getting in nature outside, barefoot. But I would fall off or I'd go to bed one night late and I'd be irritable the next day. And I'm like, what's going on with me? I don't, I don't feel like my fullest self. And so I think for me, what's allowed me to become really clear about this soul-centered life and the attention it requires and the commitment, is that I know what it looks like without it. And I simply, I don't like it. And as I move into the second half of life, I wanna be really intentional with how I live and the results are unlimited and the presence I feel with myself and others, I'm bolder, I'm more authentic. It's like this, this truth has emerged. And it is, I wish I could tell everyone about it because it's a fun way to live. It's a meaningful way to live. And as I said earlier, and we'll get to this further in the conversation, it allows me to move through those tough moments with the knowing that I can move through hard things and I can do hard things. And I can guide people through hard things because we know life, life is inevitably gonna be challenging and hard.
Luke (00:09:34):
Yeah. I'm gonna use this to Eric, bring you into the conversation, but it was, it was one of those motions that you just made there, Billy that just, you know, it was that opening, right? That opening of the chest. And I know you weren't doing your Superman, right? You, you, weren't doing your Christopher Reeves at that particular moment. It was all from a heart-centeredness and heart open space. And I think that's, that's part of both the, it's funny cos to me, it's, that's part, the result of the work, but that's also part of what creates the space for doing the work is that willingness to get into that heart open space.
I wanna come back to that, Eric, I, let me, let me pivot to you and I'm, you know, either very simply just, I'm curious, kind of what's alive for you. What do you feel energetically as you begin to hear this conversation, but if, if you want to also just kind of ground it in the, the initial question I asked of just, you think of those things that have, or maybe even still are at times getting in the way of centering your life around what matters most. I'm just curious what, you know, what that's brought up for you and what even the initial conversation here has begun to, uh, bring up for you?
Eric (00:10:32):
Yeah. So, you know, listening to, to Billy speak, you have to express gratitude to the universe for us to be together on this podcast, because everything you shared with me, I can't explain to you how impactful it is to me because when your, question you asked Luke, it's like, well, what gets in the way? That answer came to me, right as you asked it, but as Billy spoke, it just got louder. And what gets in the way, it really is ultimately just me. And to be able to get that message at the same time, coming from your story, Billy, and what you're sitting in and Luke, and what gets away in me and, I'm at the stage now where, of sitting in there and sitting in that, being present in my life. And I'm at the stage where I can see the contrast. So Billy, you talk about how like, you're like, I know what it feels like the next day, and I feel, I'm starting to note the contrast of when I am, when I get in the way, and then what's happening as the result of it. And versus just sitting in that seat and saying, you know what, I'm sitting in here permanently. I realize how much I just get in the way. And that's where my work is unfolding daily to get out of my own way so I can just surrender.
Luke (00:11:48):
That brings up a lot. One, just a comment on the contrast, right? Is I think maybe that's where I'm starting to feel it even more so, right.? And I mean this in, I mean, I think because it's the way you, you mean this as well is it's, it's a very positive thing is to feel those times where we've gotten off track or we've, we've gotten out of balance, I'm feeling them more and I'm feeling them more quickly than I ever have before in my life, right? So that, yeah, I can recreate, take that left turn to, to rebalance for instance, and bring myself back. And I, it's funny cause I even, I even think of, you know, the things that allow me to come back to center, will talk about those later on. But one of them is just even just the physical impact of knowing when I've gotten off schedule, I feel the tiredness, I feel the food that I shouldn't have eaten or the drink I shouldn't have had or whatever the case may have been, right? Or the, the night that I decided I was gonna stay up an extra hour, cos it was quiet in the house, right? And I finally, finally got my quiet hour, right? And then of course I'm exhausted the next morning. And so it's just, it can be any little things, but I'm more aware of that feeling of contrast because of going back to both, what Eric, you said, but Billy, the way you put it, the clarity and the joy and the peace that you feel when you are living from that more soul-centered place and you're disciplined or devoted to those practices, you feel so aligned. You know, it's not even just like feeling good. It's not even just feeling some of the energy that you benefit from in all of those processes, you do, you have all of that, but there's something that's much deeper than that. That just feels congruent. It feels more resonant and it feels more vibrant that it's easier to come out of you. It's easier for you to show up in those moments. And so when you're out of that, that space, you feel that contrast that much more dramatically. And I think that's, it's a very interesting thing that maybe was one of the things that people became much more aware of in these last couple years, was all of a sudden they could feel the contrast of the way they were living life. Then all of a sudden they couldn't live life that way, they fell into maybe a, hopefully a slower pace of life, a simpler pace of life for a period of time. Now they're being asked to ramp back up again and they're feeling the discord cos now all of a sudden they know there is a different possibility for them.
Anyway, I also wanted to come back to Eric, what you mentioned of just purely, pure and simple, of what gets the way is me. That sits with me. Let me, let me, let me just ask what, what comes up for you guys cos I've, I've got a number of things that can come up that I could share just sitting in that statement of knowing that I'm the one that sits in the middle of this, that sits in the middle of that fulcrum as it were.
Billy (00:14:26):
Eric, I love that you brought that up and I totally agree. I get in the way. I get in the way of my myself. And sometimes I feel like an a-hole I'm like, what, what am I creating? I'm doing this. How can I, how can I pull back and, and recreate this? And sometimes Luke, simply as I think it was like, maybe Sunday night or two nights ago, I stayed up a little bit late because I had that extra hour after the kids went to bed and I'm down here sitting in my chair and I'm reading, I'm scrolling, I'm doing a little research and all of a sudden it's 11:30 and it's not astronomically late. And usually I'm in bed 10, 10:30 and up at six. And the next morning I was like, I was groggy. I was irritable. It was Father's Day. And I'm like, I need to pull my shit together and reset a little bit. I went outside, I'm saging. I did a meditation and I took a cold shower. And in that way I kind of just brought myself back to that alignment that you so eloquently speak of.
Luke (00:15:21):
Eric, for you, And I, well, let, let me maybe share this cause I'm thinking about, you know, those ways that I get in the way of this and I, I, I love the way that Billy, you just said that it's like when we get out of balance is to even just make that simple statement out of a place of, a statement of truth, not a statement of blame, not a statement of judgment, is just to be able to say, I'm doing this, right? To express that bit of personal sovereignty to recognize, wait a minute, I'm creating this, right? And again, like I said, not out of blame, not out of judgment. It's just, it's just a statement of, I can own that. I'm okay with that. And I, I think of, of those types of things and occasionally it is exactly as you just, as we were laughing about it's the extra hour that we might have at the end of a night, cod it's, it's quiet and peaceful.
It's the fact it's, it's funny. Cause I've, I've devoted even so much of this past year to cleaning up a lot within my nutrition. And I've noticed just in the last week for a variety of reasons, which I could give you a mountain of excuses as to why this was the case. You know, I, I let some extra carbs and sugar and things like that pop back in after I'd already cleaned my system out of them and it doesn't sound like much, but that it has a huge impact on my energy, a huge impact on my physical energy now. And so it's like, okay, I wanna clean those. I did that. I, you know, gave myself the week to, to have some fun. And now it's like, okay, I wanna clean those things up. I think it's the ripple effect, right? Is if we don't catch ourselves and that's why I even say a week, not a day, is that it's like, well, that felt good.
And so today I'm gonna be a little bit more lax on this or you know what? I got my workout in. So that was good enough. I'm not gonna do these other things or I'm not gonna be as devoted or as, as dedicated to these other practices. And it creates a slippery slope until you feel the, take a moment, feel the contrast and say, wait, I'm not feeling the way that I did even a week ago. And that wasn't just a physical thing. It was, I mean, I could feel the emotional and mental impacts that grogginess that fogginess that takes over, right? It's incredible.
So I'm just curious, Eric, when you, when you centered in cos you brought this up very clearly and easily, when you think of looking at yourself as right at, at the center of some of this, I'm just curious what had come up for you of what are some of those ways, you know, you get in the way and then we'll start talking about what are some of the things we do to shift that.
Eric (00:17:31):
So I'm well aware, you know, now that talk about the contrast of sitting in a place of being soul-centered and sitting in a place of serenity and surrendering each day, what that feels like when I get the contrast and something just doesn't feel right. I become aware that there's a part of me that gets me in trouble and that's a part of me I call, 'gotta get shit done'. 'Gotta get shit done' is the one that's like, get out of the the way, we're gonna get, we're, we're gonna do this quick. And that part of me, as opposed to gotta get shit done, it's like, get your ass up, go to gym, go work out. As opposed to that, I've had this voice that is shown up to say, hey buddy, what's going on? Like you're sitting here right now. You've been staring out the window for five minutes, eating cookies, what are you doing? As opposed to like, what the fuck? And it's like, wow, okay. Uh, maybe we're just trying to zone out right now. Are you really gonna do this right now? And it would go, you know what? We don't really need to thanks so much for showing up and you know, being my friend. So getting in my own ways, letting that part of my personality come out that got a purpose, but it's not the blanket purpose to run everything and to be a little more compassionate to myself. And that seems to get me in a place to sit back down and surrender and most, more soul-sourced.
Luke (00:18:55):
Hmm. That place that is more and more soul-sourced. Here's the thing, for most of my life, I wasn't soul-sourced. I was externally sourced from the outer. Life was being created from outside of me, no matter how much I wanted to believe I was at the center of my life. I know those moments of zoning out that Eric just mentioned, those moments when my mind and body just needed to unplug, but they weren't unplugging in a healthy, rejuvenating way. It was disconnecting. I would disconnect and sort of shut down because that was my way of cutting off the outside world. That is the source of energy that I was running on, which was just too much and not aligned. So when I've said surrender on past shows, I've meant it in so many ways.
Surrender. As in laying down, I surrender my desire to disconnect. I surrender these unhealthy habits. I surrender the pursuit of more and more and more in the outer. I surrender the parts of my ego that keep pulling me away from myself and into the outer world. But surrender is also an act of grace, of flow, of ease or peace. I surrender to that deep inner voice and knowing it. I surrender to the flow of life and I have faith while I surrender to its rhythms and cycles. I surrender the outer striving as I surrender to the inner finding, I surrender to the call of my soul, the call of the divine. I surrender to my true nature, aligned with nature, as nature. Surrender is a big energy and an act of faith, of courage and of trust. And it is required for us to go from being outer sourced, to being inner sourced or soul-sourced. So pay attention to your inner dialogue.
Now the loudest dialogue is usually the one with your mind, which has many parts to it from inner critic to protector, to achiever, to pleaser, but somewhere between the voices. In the silence that everything arises from, wait patiently and quietly. In that silence, you will begin to hear a still small voice emerge, call it soul or higher self or consciousness. It's a voice that we can feel in our bones. We can feel it's resonance, it's tenor. It has a familiarity to it, even if it's been a long time, since we've conversed with it, be in that silence with it, be in that space, listen deeply. In time, it'll not only become your greatest guide, but you'll also be able to interact with it much more easily. It'll become present in your waking life as a quiet whisper, a nudge or even a not so subtle shout now and again.
The more you connect and converse, the more it'll come through. And so I invite you to practice and practice a lot. You can practice through meditation, through quiet walks or also through active journaling. This is one of the ones that I've used most, most in my life and in my path and journey. That active journaling, what I mean by that is to journal with your higher self as if you were carrying on a conversation back and forth, ask what you need to surrender, what you need to better connect with it, what it needs from you, and so on. It'll give you a place to come back to, whenever you feel the conversation of your life is losing its threat. Okay. Now let's jump back into our conversation with Eric and Billy.
Billy (00:22:55):
If I jump in here, a lot's coming up for me, Eric and I, I love your share. And it's funny, Luke, last time we were on a walk in person, we talked about gut health, right? I can't tell you how many people I've shared that conversation with, this idea that our, our gut health is connected to our, our brain and most specifically our hypothalamus, right? Which is our emotional control center. So thank you for that Luke, and these little things, right? That, that we do to ourselves and I have a sweet tooth and it's one of the things that I've really cleaned up in the last year or so. And once a while it's like the other, I had a chocolate, one chocolate chip cookie the other day. And I so thoroughly, I almost enjoyed more so how it smelled than how it tasted. And I'm like, who the fuck is this guy that, you know, a pint of Häagen-Dazs ice cream, but it's the, it's this commitment also to what are you putting in your system, whether it be food or alcohol or marijuana and being really conscientious of the impact and effect that it has on your brain and your ability to see clearly, to think clearly and to make healthy decisions. And I've been just profoundly impacted by what I'm putting into my system. I also, uh, serenity, Eric, you bring up serenity, one of the most beautiful quotes that I've, I've heard around, serenities from James Allen, "Calmness of mind is one of the most beautiful jewels of wisdom". And I think that's what we're talking about. That soul-centered calmness that slows all of life down so that you can see more clearly and decide what's in alignment with the truth of, of who you're. And the more those decisions you make, the more you enter into that, that flow state of mind and, and really life. And that, that is a beautiful way to ride this wave.
Luke (00:24:44):
There is so much that I would love to expand on. Let me just see, I'm gonna pick two of these. The first is Billy, you said it, but Eric, you, you gave the example for this that I didn't wanna lose, was to know the intention also, or at least this was what was suggested to me, or what I heard in this, was to know the intention behind what you're doing. And so whether it was zoning out, whether it was the food or the drink or the marijuana or whatever, it's what's your intention behind that. And Eric, as you described it, right? There's the part of you that pulls out that wants to get shit done. And like it pulls you into that story and it pulls you into that mode. And then later on, you just use the, you have the example of, oh, and then you're just like zoning out, having a cookie staring out the window.
But part of the intention that was going on there was actually, you needed that moment of serenity to zone back out again, to be able to try to find a way to counteract all of the energy that was being expended, to be able to get shit done. And I guess maybe the, the reason why I wanna bring that up is that there are sometimes intentions behind the way that these so-called bad habits creep back in, the intention may be a good intention, meaning it may be born out of compassion or love or trying to bring you back down again. The challenge is it's doing it in the, not the healthiest of ways, right? And how do we create alignment around what, Billy with the second thing I wanted to pick up on, was those health decisions, because it's, what do we wanna put into our system?
And we're not just talking physically, right? We're talking emotionally, we're talking mentally, we're talking spiritually, we're talking socially of, you know, we're a fully energetic system as, as human beings. And I think that's what I've, I've also then started to really think about is what are the decisions I need to make, not only for my physical health, but for my emotional health, my mental health, my spiritual health, my social health, and started to take a look at those. That to me is like, if I'm thinking about being soul centered, it's because I am making healthy choices in all of those things that are around the soul that sits in the middle and sits in the, the center of all of this. And so that means caring for the physical, emotional, mental, and spiritual and social and what have you. I think that's where it feels like, and I guess this is the, I'd love to just see what energy comes up for you guys around this. It feels, like even as I list some of that stuff out, feels like a lot. I gotta be diligent. And like on top of, and mindful of all of this stuff, that's exhausting. And I will tell you from personal experience, it feels exhausting, right?
Eric (00:27:11):
Yeah, yeah, totally. So can I, can I follow that, that conversation? Because tying it to everything we said and seeing some connecting dots from what Billy said and what you said, where we go from a place where, you know, talk about gotta get shit done, sitting there, eating the cookie and Billy talking about, was it James Allen saying, you know, getting to a place of stepping back, slowing it all down to get the wisdom, right? What I can see from my own personal self now is the connection where we've 'gotta get shit done' comes, I'm learning the wisdom like we get stuff done, there's no doubt. But then 'gotta get shit done' just exhausts me down to the point where I don't realize I need the break and my body and soul just goes, you know what? We're checking out right now. Let's have this cookie and there's have three cookies, four cookies. Let's not do it, right? So what it is, it also, I see the patterns we all have, where if you get in that state of unconsciousness and you're running and you don't get the space, you can run and go, oh, well, there goes the diet I should have had, oh, I should have got an exercise, but I'm too busy. I gotta go. And next thing you know, you see these pit stops you, we can be making, but we just don't. But given the opportunity when we slow it all down, we walk and see the pit stop and say better nutrition. Wow. This is an opportunity for it. And I say that from a place that's very deep because in my journey that I'm on, I've had wonderful insights and wonderful development and the insights on the better eating, that's the one that's just waiting there for me to say, hey, we need to slow it down, buddy. This is, Billy, could it possibly tell you anymore? I give you more opportunity to sit and think about it. And it's a, you know, about that stage just to basically say, you know, really figuring out to slow it all down, just to be able to see it, take a step back and committing to some type of routine daily that gets you there. If it's for two minutes, five minutes, 10 minutes, whatever it might be to sit in your best life and best self.
Billy (00:29:12):
Absolutely. I think you just hit the nail in the head. I think it comes down to a routine and Luke, to your point, it's not easy. It's not easy following a routine always, but we are creatures of habit. And me personally, I've learned to ritualize what I value and in, in this way, it creates structure around my day, around my week. And one of the ways that I would explain the, the slowing down for me is I was a quarterback in high school and college. And the sooner that I learned the system, the sooner the defense seemed to be moving in slow motion. And I was like, wow, I know where to throw it. And it seems like everyone's running in slow motion, except for me. And the more that I commit myself to this routine, this routine of daily, healthy habits that feed my soul, the more life just slows down.
So when the opportunity comes up for a choice and let's just talk about food for a moment, between something plant based or protein based for me versus sugar or carbs, it's a lot easier for me to make that decision. One other idea that comes up is, and, and this is something I'm working on is self-compassion because if I make the wrong decision, I tend to want to beat myself up for it because of all the work that I'm doing. And I'm like, what the F am I doing to myself? And so I'm trying to, Luke, as you said earlier in the podcast, is that when those moments come up and I was almost gonna say, when I fail myself and I think that's a harsh word, but to observe it and to notice it and to learn from it and to move on. Because I think we're, we're all gonna come up short, right? We're human. We're not Superman, but we have the opportunity to, if somebody else comes up short, I'm so good at holding space for them. Don't worry about it. Let it go. Not a big deal. You're a human. But when it comes to myself, like, I, I wanna, I almost wanna be perfect. And I know that, that, that's inevitably not, not ever going to, I'm an imperfect being. And I know that, and I'm aware of that. And I know that I could probably hold more space for compassion for myself in that area.
Luke (00:31:18):
You just connected me this, even just this, this past weekend, a teacher of mine had even just said of, you know, it's not that we're not gonna miss the mark. We're gonna miss the mark. But if you miss the mark with that, that mindset that an archer might have, it's that, okay, I was three rings off the mark. Let me make an adjustment, shoot the next arrow. Okay, let me make an adjustment. Shoot the next arrow. You know, it's not the end of the story. It's that wherever we've missed the mark, it's to have awareness of what we feel like we've missed and then make the adjustment, learn from that. That's, you know, that it's, it's a constant evolution that we're going through.
I love so much of what, what was just brought up. I want to get to the, the, how we ritualize what we value. Cos I love that statement, Billy, but to the way Eric, you described this, and I'm gonna use just some of the language that comes up for me is that we get into this momentum within our lives that is kind of propelling us forward. And because of any number of ways we could describe the pace of modern life, we don't take a lot of space. You know, we don't slow down long enough to take space and see and feel what's really going on. And that to me is, is then Billy, what you're bringing up with these kind of this routine and this process and ritualizing, what we value is it's how do we build that space in intentionally? So that we start from that space. And it's like, starting with the momentum that we wish to have. And if we do that, now we have the chance, again, every single day to return to that same space and say, how close was I to the mark yesterday?
Okay, let me make my adjustments and kind of keep moving from that space is, which is kind of like comes up for me. And, and also to realize as somebody who, one of, you know, my, my nemesis in one of my, my few few, maybe many nemesis that I've had in my life, one of the chief among them is expectations. And so, Billy just the way you described, you know, self-compassion is that I measure against so many expectations than I have for a very long time. And when I miss those expectations, it's like, okay, well I need to do more. I need to move faster. I need to figure it out, you know, I've gotta study the next thing. I've gotta do this. I gotta do this. I've gotta do this. I've gotta figure this out. And then I give myself, you know, three days to go accomplish all of that, right?
And I don't give myself any time or space to allow for the natural progression of what's unfolding. And I think that's the other thing that I'm getting gentler with myself on is to take that space, to make adjustments, but don't expect the result tomorrow. It's living in that space of adjustment. It's living in that space with patients and what it allows me to ultimately do, and I think this is the piece that's been most rewarding for me. And I think Billy described this very well with different words before, is that puts me in a place of living in presence. If I can be present to my life, if I can be present to this conversation, if I can be present to my kids and my wife, the results will come. I mean, that almost is the result. The results almost don't matter at that point, they'll come when they come. If in fact they're any different than what I'm experiencing just by being present in my life. So let me just pause and just see for Eric, Billy, what, what comes up guys,
Billy (00:34:33):
Luke, you know, when you speak of this presence, uh, to yourself and to your kids and to your wife, I'm thinking about I've been in yoga school for the last six months almost. And the, the Hindus believe that we have a certain amount of breaths in our lifetime. And in addition to that, they believe that if you've paid more attention to your breath, through meditation you can, you can expand your life literally and figuratively. And I think for, for what we're talking about is that the more inner work and the more soul-centered work that we do on our own, the more quality of life we experience and, and sometimes at the end of my day, and I'm sure for the, both of you, I'm like, I can't believe how much happened today. I also find, and I don't know if you guys have experienced this, might be a tangent, but my dream life as incredible, like just almost, I feel like I'm not sleeping and I'm waking up well rested, you know, following the Ayurvedic principles, you know, trying to ride the wave of the natural energy of the universe, going to bed at 10 and waking up at six and my dream life has become so beautiful.
And so I, I think one of the results of a lot of what we're talking about, the self work, the inner work, the commitment, the daily commitment, as well as the compassion for when we're coming up short and making adjustments is feeling so connected to the life that's manifesting and evolving right in front of us. And that brings, for me is just a tremendous amount of joy. I feel so fulfilled and purposeful, authentic, and bold and, and willing to just live out loud. And my friendships have gotten better. My relationships have gotten better. The way I treat myself has gotten better. I've gotten really good at setting boundaries with people. I used to be a weekend warrior out and, and messing around. Last weekend, I was picking my son up at a party that all the parents were drinking and not as a judgment to each his own and everyone's on their own path and this is a process, but I used to wanna be polite.
And I fell myself into that circle and grab the red cup or whatever. And now I'm, I'm so clear. That's not how, how I wanna spend my Saturday evening. And I wanna wake up on Sunday at six and I wanna have the whole day and feel super connected to it. So for me, part of this work is not only being really clear about what I want, but really setting boundaries around myself that allow me to act and operate in a way that's congruent with what I value. And I value this soul-centered life so much that it's so much easier to say, hey, no, thank you. I don't want to drink. I don't want that. I'm good. Thanks for having my son. We got a long day tomorrow. See you guys later. Yeah.
Luke (00:37:20):
Beautiful. Eric, what does that bring up for you?
Eric (00:37:22):
So what you say, Billy just, it makes so much sense where you start seeing that opportunity to live in a soul-centered place. And for speaking for myself, I realize that I'm, I'm letting go of old stories that have kept me from living soul centered, you know, 'gotta get shit done'. That's like, look, you can't be warm and fuzzy in your business and sit here every day because, oh, you're how you gonna make money and be, you know, successful. And those things talk about creating space, I'm creating space from those stories. And as I'm creating space for those stories, it starts allowing me to sit more in a soul-centered place. And in my experience, I'm finding that is an observing myself. It can be painful because I just wanna backfill. And yes, you show up at the party, grab the solo cup, go just wanna be like, you know, go get stuff done.
And ultimately even what you're saying, Billy, you make me realize that as I sit in this place and let go of these stories, it enables me to just sit deeper into it. And if I could share a story with you, just how showing up and being present in my own life today, I was down and in my family room, my, my basement, my kids have an old cooking stove that they used to play with through their, they were kids in their 10 and seven and I looked at it and I thought, oh man, we gotta get rid of that thing because you know, they're no longer playing with, we gotta create room, get rid of it. And part of me wanted to feel sadness and happiness because I just saw in an instant flash, my kids being babies and being there and being so happy.
And what I did, I had to leave in about five minutes, but I gave myself permission to sit down in a chair for one minute to feel an awe and literally overwhelm. I was like, I had a tear of happiness, a tear of sadness because I realized my children are at this age of 10 and seven. How many more summers do I have with them? This, this little piece of furniture sent such a message to me as I was getting ready to part with it. And that is the space that we're talking about. It was just one minute to get me just this happiness and sadness and this ability to say, you know what? This is why every day I surrender to this. In the morning, my routine is I get up in the morning. I have a set of prayers and I surrender to all this because that was delicious this morning, right?
It was so delicious that I basically would not have experienced that two years ago, three years ago. But today I see the benefit of, I see how delicious it is. And I am at the point where I, I am saying, I don't wanna surrender this. I don't wanna, I don't wanna give this up now that I have this, because I see what it is and 'gotta get shit done', he did make me shower real quick and get out the door after, but, but that was good because at that point he served his purpose to make sure, but we had our, I had my moment, he had his moment and we were good. Right? And that's, that's the ongoing creating the space. And if I can share one more thing, the one thing that I've realized that a message is coming to me is like, you know, creating this space is deliberate because that space allows me to be more well rested, allows me to have more energy coming to me so that I could not give it up to being unconscious, but then to live it my own life, the fullest being present with my kids, my peers, this podcast, and then having tons of energy left over to flow out to the world, instead of giving it up unconsciously to things that we think we should be doing, running, going, you know, 'gotta get shit done' if 'gotta get shit done' to charge by three o'clock, I'm like, I just wanna go to bed. But living in flow and creating space is, uh, trust me, we've gotta get shit done rules. You know, I'm not gonna say the days it doesn't by like three o'clock, I'm like, why am I so exhausted? But the days I surrender all day, it's 10 o'clock at night. And I'm like, I feel like reading for a few minutes before you go to bed. You know, you start seeing those things show up and the benefits are, you know, just unfolding. And you're like, wow, I never saw this. And I'm seeing it every day more.
Luke (00:41:45):
Yeah, my heart is just wide open from listening to the story with the stove and your girls and taking that moment. I absolutely love that I can picture the same stove my entire kids had, right? And just to literally, intentionally breathe into this space for a moment, there is so much that you just laid out there of being able to breathe space into those old stories, into those entanglements is so important. If I go off of, you know, Billy, the way that you even shared, the, the story of picking your sons up, there's part of us that we wanna please others, right? And we wanna be social, or we wanna be nice, or we wanna maybe feel some of those old stories again, because it would be fun for the moment to just be back in that space. Maybe we wanna be, you know, to please, because we wanna feel that sense of belonging in that moment, because we haven't taken that space for ourselves, or we feel attachments to needing to do certain things.
And yet when we have a routine that is breathing space into our lives, I wrote it down before and it keeps coming back up. Was that, you know, one of those very famous statements that was made by Viktor Frankl in Man's Search for Meaning, was that between stimulus and response, there lies a gap. And in that gap is where we make our choices. And so right now, if we breathe space so that the stimulus, all the things that are happening in life, there's a time and a space that they must be filtered through before we react or respond. Well, then we're bringing so much sacredness back to that space and so much choice that we can have to steer and direct our lives, the way that we wish to, and what Eric, you also brought up, which just touches me as well, is that in that space, cos I have felt this and I'm curious for you guys as well, but I think Eric, you already brought it up for you, but in that space, there's a time of great vulnerability as well because I've been in that space and I feel the pull to want to fill it back up again because when you're in that space, that void is, you've heard us mention on this show multiple times, it feels like very uncertain of, well, wait, what do I do here?
Am I not supposed to be doing something? Or shouldn't I have you this figured out or shouldn't I do this, shouldn't I do that? And so there's this time in that space that feels very vulnerable. But if you can sit with it and allow that space to just be filled with the presence and the peace and the stillness and the reflection and the meditation and the, the rituals that are there, all of a sudden one day, you will find yourself in that space and no longer need to fill it and feel like it's already full. I'm just curious what you know, what's coming up for, maybe Billy, if I, I turned to you for a moment, but I, I just pulled a ton out of what Eric, you had to share a lot is sitting with me right now.
Billy (00:44:26):
Yeah, same here. Same here, Luke. And thank you, Eric, for that, that story. First, I wanted to bring up what immediately came to me, as a younger father, I remember moving into my being in the backyard and coming outside and seeing plastic shit everywhere. And I was like, I'm like, I can't wait to get rid of all this plastic shit. And it seemed like all my friends with older children were just dumping their plastic shit in my yard.
Eric (00:44:54):
Totally, I've been there.
Billy (00:44:59):
I also, I love, I love the space that you held for yourself to feel, you know, the having children and people say it all the time, that time moves so quickly with children and it does and, and holding space for yourself to be mindful and memorable of those incredible moments with our kids when they're three, four and five, I'm happy to also share, I don't have any plastic shit in my backyard. I have a lacrosse net, you know, a thing that kids bounce the ball off. And I seem to be doing better with that. Luke, you also talk about the gap and immediately I think about Wayne Dyer and he talked a lot about the gap and people ask me why I meditate. And I meditate because it creates a space between me and everything, not a space that connects me, disconnects me from me and everything, but a space that allows me room to really choose how I wanna respond and not react to the thing that's right in front of me, whether it be a person, a conversation, an animal, a tree, and that space, whew, it is, I think it's just so sacred. So sacred of a space and the more that we ritualize, what we value in terms of taking care of ourself and fanning that flame of our soul, the more that space expands and when you're incongruence with that soul and making those kinds of decisions, it just feels good. Simply it just feels good. And so I think it's like, it's almost like when you eat sugar, it gets more sugar. Like every time you make a good decision for your soul, it just makes you wanna make more and more good decisions. And that's kind of the experience that I've been having with regards to self care and soul-centered living for the last couple years, but really amping it up the last year.
Luke (00:46:43):
This idea of ritualize what I value, ritualize what you value, I think is something that is something that breathes space into our, our schedules breathes into what we're talking about. It creates that connection to that soul-centered living. And what I'm curious for you, cause I've heard Eric, and Eric, I wanna come back to you on this question as well in this word specifically, is how, when you ritualize what you value, how does that also touch this energy of surrender? I know the way that surrender shows up in so many beautiful ways for you, Billy. And so I'm just curious if you, you could talk a little bit about the ritualize, but connect these two as well, because I feel something there and I wanna see how this is expressed.
Billy (00:47:23):
Yeah, and I, I think a story's just coming up for me immediately and I am incredibly disciplined. And as I've already mentioned, I'm incredibly disciplined to this routine, especially my, my morning routine and life is hard. Life is hard and I believe that we can do hard things, especially together. Last Friday night, I stayed up all night with my 14 year old beloved golden retriever. And she has been a rock of a being for me, especially in the last three years where I've experienced a lot of external chaos. And my relationship with her is kind of like my relationship with nature, nature holds space for all of me all the time. And that's the same experience that I had with my dog and, uh, dog spelled backwards is God, right? And I, I experienced God in my dog, golden retrievers don't normally live to 14 years old.
And uh, I've been watching her very closely the last year, her hips and she stopped walking stairs. And so I'd carry her good 70 pounds outside every morning, afternoon, and evening for her to go to the bathroom. And on Friday night we had a couple kids sleeping over and they woke me up at one o'clock and my dog was crying and she was yelping. And I was up with her almost all night, giving her CBD medication to alleviate some of the pain, I called the vet first thing in the morning, went to get Gabapentin, bring it back to alleviate more pain and anxiety. And I had to go to a baseball game with my son and I sat at center field just crying in my car because I knew that I had to make a decision and I made one, I euthanized her Saturday evening and I had a, a wonderful doctor come to my house.
But that was at that. I made the decision at nine o'clock in the morning. I leaned into my little sister who I leaned into a lot, especially since the passing of my father. And I said to her, I said, I'm, I'm looking for a resounding sign from, from Grover to know that I'm making the right decision. And she said to me, she said, Billy, I think you already got it. You got it last night. And I needed somebody in my circle to affirm that for me. And I said, you're right, Jack. I, I did. And I'm kind of getting goosebumps here because my son's game ended. It's June 11th. My son is wearing the number 11, 11 is a huge spiritual number for me. And I have to pick my other son, right? Like life's happening. I have to pick my other son up from, from a sleepover.
And I have three flag football games Saturday afternoon. And I pick my other son. And it's like, one of those moments where it's like, this is a moment that's really going to impact my sons. And it's almost gonna be like a before and after at least that's what I'm projecting onto them. And I got my guys in the car and I take them to the parking lot of a church. And we're in front of this statue that I, that I've done a lot of praying and meditating where Joseph is holding baby Jesus in like a rock grotto. And we pull up and I ask my sons to get outta the car. And, and they're sitting in front of the grotto and I'm facing Joseph and Jesus, cos I know I need to rely on my faith and my fatherhood in this moment. And I said to my sons, sometimes it's really hard being a dad. And my oldest son, he's 11, soulful just starts crying. And I share with them what I witnessed in Grover the, the previous night.
And I, and I tell them that I've decided it's time for us to give her this gift and to euthanize her later on that day, it's one of the hardest conversations I've ever had. My little guy, Casey, who's just an emotional person like me, started convulsing and shaking. And so to my oldest son, and I just like, I opened my arms and I just held onto them. And I didn't even say anything for like 20 minutes and I cried with him, but I didn't let the, I didn't, I didn't let it all out for, that wasn't, this was their time. I share this story because it was a really hard thing for me to do. But later on that day, after the day had ended, I felt so proud of the way that I was able to show up first and foremost for my two bow boys who are the center of my universe. And I care so much about them and their development and the seeds of thought and love that I'm planting intentionally within them. And also for my dog being fully present to her, she almost died before the doctor got here and I lay on the kitchen floor on the tile floor with her and we stared into each other's eyes. I kid you not, for like an hour, we've done that before, but not to that intensity or length. And I just lay there for an hour staring into her eyes and thanking her for the life and the love that she's given me. And before she died, I asked her similar to, to when my dad died, I asked her to leave me, and this is, this is kind of coming full circle, I said, leave me with your self-compassion. When I pray to you from here on out, I want you to remind me to be more compassionate to myself because of the unconditional and unrelenting love that you've always offered me.
And my partner was with me at this moment and we put her down and, uh, you know, I, then I had to put her into a bag and I had to carry her outside. And Julie says to me, she said, you know, thank God you're here to help me move through what we just witnessed and experienced. And for me, this is what's showing up to life as your most soulful self is all about. Saturday was an incredibly challenging day, but it was also just an incredibly moving day and a powerful day and a day that I will never forget. And my hope is that my, my son's first and foremost, they felt the love, but they also recognized that we can move through hard things together. And I wouldn't, if I hadn't made this commitment to myself years ago and I hadn't amped it up, you know, a year ago, I wouldn't have been able to show up in the way that I did first for myself, but then for my two boys, I spoke about, uh, you know, social media holding circles. You know, I came home after my boys and I held a circle with Julie and her girls and my boys with Grover in the middle. And I allowed space and held space for everyone to express where they were in that moment. And so for me, all this, all this inner work plays out in all of life. And sometimes it requires us to stand in our truth and to stand in love in the midst of things that are really hard to, to move through. But we as human beings, we have the capacity to move through those things with grace and love and truth, especially when we're committed to this soulful, soul-centered life.
Luke (00:54:02):
Billy, thank you. Just thank you for, for sharing your experience. It's, it's, it's a beautiful story, beautiful experience. And for letting us see that and feel like we, we get to experience even some very tiny part of it with you as a result of you sharing it is deeply appreciated. I think the, the fact that when we create these practices and rituals to help us feel into this, this soul centered way of, of being you, one just gave us a, an experience of how it helps us and supports us to move through these tough times with that presence, with that grace that's there. You also described before of how it brings you into connection with the way that life is just unfolding and that life is evolving or emerging at any given time. And I think that's maybe, you know what it is for me and Eric, I'd love to hear what it is for you on this is that, you know, I said presence before is kind of the, the payoff, the being, the thing, the space, the, the, all of it for me.
And it's that when I put first things first, meaning for me, it is a combination of meditation, prayer being in nature and those types of, of rituals. Sometimes it's reading, sometimes it's some listening to things that all feeds into this process for me, that reminds me what I'm devoted to. I'm devoted to life. When I say soul-centered, it's coming, meeting life where it is with all of who I am in a manner that I can touch it directly so that I am not connecting to life in a manner that's veiled or a way that is filtered or a way that has all of these other masks and armor and detachments in the way. But instead, so I can just meet it for what life is with all that I am and being as present as I possibly can, is what allows me to do that and to, to catch the moments that maybe I have slightly missed the mark and that's okay.
That's part of life. That's part of being human and allowing me to come back and, and steer myself. Because if, if I can be present, I can show up for myself in life very differently. I can show up for my family and for my wife, my partner, and for my family and for my friends, for my clients. And so on and saying for people I've just meeting. Cause I've had that experience recently too, of just not even knowing why that day we were meant to cross paths and just exchange a 90-second conversation. But I could tell that it meant something different for both of us, but you don't do those things. You don't have those moments. You don't have those experiences if you aren't fully present to what's going on. And that to me, soul-centered starts there. So when I say what matters most, yes, that includes all of the things that we all keep mentioning of, of love and family and connection and all that.
But it begins with what have we placed at the very center of all of that. And for me, it's, it's, you know, when I say soul-centered, it's these practices, these rituals, this way of just being in full touch with myself and creating this space from which I can then meet life. And that's what we've been, we've been trying to get out and talk to, to everybody about today.
Eric, before, you know, before we part, I just kind of wanted to ask for your own reflection on, you know, just what, when I say that coming at life from that soul-centered place, you know, I describe what that is to me and what that is for me. I know you've shared some of your practices, but I'm curious to see if there's there's anything else that is sitting with you that you would like to express on this.
Eric (00:57:34):
So, you know, the, the ritual, you know, for me, starting every day in a, a place of prayer and surrender surrendering to God behind that, all, you know, Billy, your story is a beautiful story and it's a, an amazing insight. And it's a reflection on, you know, it made me really think about where I've come from and where I am today. And you, you sharing that story, you were able to be there for your kids and surrender your sadness to them, but give them space to have their sadness, to that wisdom of being able to see both at the same time, what you needed and what they needed, and to be together, that being there at the same time is something where this is why we do these rituals. So you can have access to that. I know that I've come from a place that being led, you know, your story's inspired cause you weren't apathetic.
You sat at it. And we come from a place very often, it's in a busy society, men and women, you know, apathetic is easier than feeling and going through things numb can be a quick route, but you don't get the fulfillment and having a routine of surrendering every day to what comes at you, and Billy, what, what really sticks out to me the most is you just, you had this strength that was given to you and gifted to you at the moment that you needed it. And for me, if I don't have these routines, I have a false strength that doesn't carry me through, but I'm given just like you were gifted with that strength to be strong enough to feel the emotion, strong enough to support your kids, strong enough to part with one of your best friends and to be granted that strength and to share the story so heroically and inspire is what I got, the message I got from that. And, you know, it leaves me here knowing that reinforces the routine that I do to say, you know what? I just realized from a person that I, maybe I didn't have the strike to see it myself of why I do this. So thank you so much for that story. And I felt it and it inspired me for sure, to, to even go deeper in what I'm doing.
Billy (00:59:51):
Awesome, man. Thank you very much, brother. I appreciate it.
Luke (00:59:54):
I think what I just wanna, I guess maybe wrap up with and, and leave everybody with is just what stands out to me and, and Billy, what you shared, Eric, what you just recapped, what I'm trying to get at is this way of being with life, to be able to be with the energy of life, to be able to be with what's there. Some we've used the word surrender, others might use the word acceptance. Certainly there's, there's this element of being at peace with what's rising. And I think there's something to this that we've been taught that when life has been uncomfortable or it's painful, or it's not going the way that we want, we've been taught and conditioned to like intervene. Now we've gotta change it. Now we've gotta feel better. Now we've gotta be more comfortable. No, we've gotta make it this. We've gotta make it that.
And at times we just need to be with life, to just be with all of it, to be with the emotions, the joy and the grief, the love and the sorrow. And it's these practices to me, this way of, as Billy said, ritualizing what we value this way of having a space that connects us to our soul-centered way of living that allows us to live into what matters most within our lives, and to be able to keep that front and center, it's this ability to really just truly be with life in all of the ways that it manifests for us. And that allows the energy, it allows life to continue to live through us. It allows everything to keep moving, as opposed to us trying to intervene. And it creates blocks and entanglements and attachments and stagnation. Life isn't meant to be that way, it's meant to flow.
And so, so much of what we're talking about today is how to be with life in such a ways that allows it to flow. And it allows you to be aware of it and to recognize it and enjoy it, and to step into that flow with it. There's just this beauty of being able to be with life that emerges when, when we take this time, we create this space. So I wanna thank everybody that, that is, you know, listening in and tuning in today. I wanna thank Eric and Billy for the way that, you know, everything you guys shared with the way that you show up, the way that you are in the world. And the fact that you share that with everybody that gets to tune into this show. And so Billy, Eric, I just wanna thank you guys so much for this conversation on this walk today.
Billy (01:02:05):
Luke really, I'm so glad that you're doing this and you know, physically, I'm just feeling a lot of energy move through me right now. I'm like almost physically vibrating and that wouldn't be possible if I, if I didn't feel so, so comfortable with you guys in the space that you've helped. And Eric, you as well. I really appreciate how authentic these conversations are and really are inspiring and affirming a lot for me. So thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
Eric (01:02:29):
Yeah. Thank you Luke, for creating this space for us to meet today and Billy, your stories and the energy you share is awesome. I've gotten a lot out of it and I hope anybody listening to this podcast will get some gifts out of it too, for sure. Cause wonderful stuff.
Luke (01:02:48):
Thank you, gentlemen.
Thank you for joining me for this episode of on this walk before signing off, please subscribe to the show and don't miss a single episode. Also, please rate and review us. This helps me greatly in getting the word out about this show. And remember, this is just the start of our conversation to keep it going, ask questions, add your own thoughts. Join the ongoing conversation by just heading over to on this walk.com and click on community in the upper right hand corner. It's free to join until we go on this walk again on Luke Iorio. Be well.