022 - How to Know When Enough is Enough
I’m sure you’ve encountered a moment where your gut and intuition is nudging you in a different direction… But what do you do with that small cue? How do you know when it’s time to move toward new purpose and fulfillment?
Mario Lanzarotti knows this journey well, and now as a public speaker, conscious leader, and mindset coach, he helps solopreneurs and high-achieving individuals find their sense of self and the path that is meant for them.
He has a heart for helping others and continually furthering his growth. In today’s episode, he’s sharing how he found his calling after initially chasing a completely different career, how this process led him through moments of necessary vulnerability, and the lessons he’s learned about finding purpose, hope, and the divine.
In This Episode
(6:59) How peace and freedom helped Mario understand what he truly wants
(10:02) The unique catalyst that reformed Mario’s perspective on his purpose
(16:36) How to approach the threshold of change and transformation
(20:10) Why we have to pay attention to the breadcrumbs leading us to fulfillment
(26:15) The valuable lesson he learned from vulnerability
(29:18) Why we need more than just hope to move forward
(33:25) When hope plays an active role in our conscious choices
(37:37) The unhealthy advice that slowed his growth
(43:36) The monumental moments of surrender in Mario’s life
(47:46) His overwhelming experience of connecting with the divine
(55:18) The distinctions between “doing” and “being”
(1:05:28) The question that can shift your entire world
(1:08:03) How to know when enough is truly enough
Notable Quotes
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“Hope is not meant to simply be whether we are kind of wishful about how things are going in the world and just viewing things as, ‘well I hope this works out,’ and you know, kind of orienting towards this outcome. Hope is meant to be a very co-creative process, hope was, ‘OK, it’s possible, and it requires me to believe in myself to take these little steps, to make these little changes, to put myself in these situations that challenge me, that grow me, that evolve me, that occasionally knock me back on my butt.’ And I’ve learned from that too. And so even in that, hope creates that little bit of spark, but it’s then an active process that we engage in that actually allows it to come to fruition.”
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“I have a credo that I follow that I’ve created for myself, and in it, I have, ‘I choose love over being right. I choose to view people that trigger me as my best teachers.’ Why? Because I know they trigger something inside of me where I’m not free and where I’m not healed. And that might be a very uncomfortable realization, and I’m very happy that I have them because then again, I can say, ‘Well what is the condition that I’ve unconsciously created for myself in which I’m not allowing myself to feel the way I want to feel? OK, how can I change the condition?’ Ahh. That’s when you truly become the master of your mind because now you can unravel blueprints quickly and you can say, ‘OK, doesn’t work for me anymore. Let me change that.’”
Our Guest
Mario Lanzarotti is a public speaker, conscious leader, and mindset coach that supports solopreneurs on their journey to finding their purpose, utilizing their unique skills, and silencing their self-doubt. His mission to build up and foster a community of healthy, hopeful, and highly-motivated individuals is evident through his determination and perseverance after his own period of uncertainty surrounding his calling.
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On This Walk
Mario Lanzarotti
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Luke (00:00:01):
Welcome to On This Walk, a show about the winding journey of life in all its realness. I'm Luke Iorio. Please join me and my brilliant heart-centered guests each week, as we look to navigate this journey more consciously and authentically. Uncovering how to tap back into that sense of connection with self, with soul and with something bigger than ourselves. Now let's go on this walk.
Hello there. And once again, welcome back to On This Walk. Today we're going to be diving into this theme of when is enough, enough? And it's interesting cause as I was reflecting on this particular theme and the guest that I was gonna be with today, I recognize that there's this earlier phase in our lives, and sometimes it's not early, sometimes it goes on for a very long period of time where we're kind of caught up in the pursuit. It's the pursuit of more, it's the pursuit of filling up what is enough for ourselves.
And interestingly, of course, is that that pursuit comes from a place of lack. It comes from a place of trying to fill ourselves up inside. It's, you know, to get enough so that we can be enough is very often what this pursuit is about. So, to be secure enough to have enough to be financially stable, it's to be smart enough, to be respected enough to feel like we are good enough, or to feel full enough for who it is that we are. And this pursuit of enough is really just truly all about more because, you know, I've been there myself of thinking like, okay, it seems like all things are clicking. I've got enough now. And then there's still that last temptation of more, whether it's gonna be more reputation, whether it's gonna be more in the material, whether it's gonna be more that I think is going to bring more fulfillment for me.
And so this idea that there's always this next more that somehow is set in our sights, it's not that we actually need it. The challenge is, is that by that point, within our lives, we have now trained and conditioned our minds, our nervous systems, our perceptions to look for the lack and therefore want more. Because that's the formula that we have continued to teach it over and over and over again. And so for, you know, for many, and or I should say, at least for myself, another piece of this was that I was always worried that if I had enough or I felt like I was enough, now I'd get lazy. I wouldn't be as motivated. It wouldn't drive me, right? That was part of the drive, part of the motivation was to go out there to achieve more. But now, if I feel content, maybe I just, I'm not gonna create as much.
Maybe I'm not gonna do the next thing. Maybe I'm not gonna build the next thing. Because again, the way that we have oriented ourselves in this regard. Now this, this shows up, this pursuit shows up in all walks of life. It's not only about our career or achievement, it's also about relationships. Because we also have that feeling of, I want to be enough. I don't wanna be inadequate because I want to attract the right partner, the right mate, and I want to be able to bond with them. So now I'm either putting on a show to hide my inadequacies or I'm overcompensating to, to show, no, no, no, I'm fine, I'm, you know, I look at this image that I'm putting out there. All of this is this unbelievable entangled story of attachments and beliefs and pursuits around this idea of, am I enough? And how do we have enough?
When is that enough, enough? And so, you know, I'd love to give more. I'd love to share more on this. That's what this conversation's gonna be for. Because at the end of the day, we can't just say, you know, this is about achieving, uh, contentment. Cool, great. Go do that. That's the end of our conversation. Doesn't work that way. It's been a long journey and a long way of conditioning ourselves around this question of enough. And so we really do need to unentangle it. We need to be able to unpack that. And I'm lucky enough that today I've got a walking partner who this is a, a huge focus of what he's done for himself and then what he does for the clients that he supports. And I'm lucky enough that we were introduced together through one of our past guests. Somebody you probably heard pretty recently was Reggie Walker.
And Reggie introduced me to today's walking partner, Mario Lanzarotti. And Mario, let me give you a little background on him. He's a mindset mastery coach, he's a TEDx speaker, and his video, his talk on TEDx, has been viewed more than 650,000 times. He's also a conscious leader. Mario Lanzarotti is focused on helping solopreneurs confidently reach the next level in their life by empowering them to break free from the self-doubt that is holding them back. From CEOs to Olympians to mission-driven entrepreneurs, Mario helps high achievers all across the world gain mental clarity and focus necessary to achieve what would normally take years and to do so instead, in six months or less. Today, Mario travels the world on a mission to raise consciousness of humanity, something that is near and dear to my heart, for those that are constantly tuning in. And that is through his masterclass on conscious leadership and next level mindsets. If you are new to our show, if you're new to On This Walk, do me a favor, hit that subscribe button wherever it is that you're tuning in from. And with that, let's go on this walk with Mario Lanzarotti, and when is enough, enough. Mario, thanks for being here.
Mario (00:05:23):
Luke. Thank you for that powerful intro. And you know, I was captivated by what you were sharing in the beginning, and I'm very much in alignment with that. And I'm really looking forward to a powerful conversation that right off the bat, I wanna say, if there's a part of you and you're listening to this conversation and you feel like, ooh, you know, that feels sort of weird, that feels sort of off. I came here to learn how to do more, be more, access more of myself. Listen, right, tune in for, for more of this conversation because I don't know Luke that much yet, but I get the sensation that you are not one of those people to go into a cave and meditate for five years and, you know, be truly at, at peace with that. You know, you're someone who wants to create this and this conversation is about adding a whole new level of quality to your capacity to create in this life.
Luke (00:06:22):
Mario, thank you for one, that recognition, but also kind of connecting that, it's something that I've said very often with some of my clients and things like that is that, listen, some of what, you know, the space and the teaching that you know, certain monks can do by meditating in the cave and achieving that type of bliss is, is phenomenal. And we need a few more monks walking down Main Street because we need this incorporated right in, in the way that we do business and the way that we do our relationships. We need more and more householders that are, that are bringing this work into the core of who we are. As I kind of described in, in introducing and teeing us up today, we are sort of conditioned to have all of these outer pursuits to fulfill or change something that's actually an inner state. And I'm curious if I offer that to you, if I offer that reflection to you, what initially comes up.
Mario (00:07:16):
That's a great way to start the conversation. And I think it addresses the most crucial element of this conversation of more, more or less. And the question is always, why do you do what you do? What is it that you really, really want? And that's what I address in my, in my TEDx talk, because I've asked myself that question in the beginning of that pursuit of developing and growing and and seeking greater depths of life. You know, for me it was, okay, I wanna help more people, I wanna make more money, I wanna travel to more places. And then I kept asking myself, well, why do I want that? And then it was another sort of superficial answer. It was like, okay, so, you know, so I can help my family so I can, you know, make them proud so I can tell them, let them see that what they put into me was worth it, so that it proved my worth.
And I asked myself, well, why do I want that? What will happen once I have that? And then I got the real answer to what I wanted? It's two things. There's peace and there's freedom. And with peace and freedom, your entire life changes. All of it changes. And there will surely be things that you will stop doing that you will know, have no more desire to even engage in. This is like, what's the point? I already get what I thought this will give me. And I got it in a way where it's much faster, much cheaper, and a lot less stress involved.
Luke (00:08:44):
It's, I appreciate you, you kind of connecting this and jumping off from this perspective of what is it that we really, really want? And I forget where I actually had first heard this. I know there was an individual by the name, but Dr. Taman Shahar, who talks about this of ask yourself why at least five times. Because every, right? Every time you are answering that, well, why do I do this? Why do I want this? Why am I trying to get that? As you keep kind of asking that question, you keep going deeper and deeper and deeper, which you just illustrated of it's this recognition of what's motivating that, what's driving that, what am I really trying to obtain? And unfortunately, you know, part of the way that our kind of human senses work is it connects us to this outer world that we're drawing all of this feedback from all of the, these bits and pieces of information.
And so very often we are quite literally looking this way to fulfill and answer that question of why, when it's very much an inward journey. But we're not, we're not taught that in school. That's not, you know, that I never took 101 anywhere in high school or college on, on that particular subject. And so it's slowing down long enough to be able to ask those types of questions. Now, I'm curious for you, what was it that really started to allow you to ask those questions? Because for me, I think of it as, you know, when I was just constantly pursuing to find fulfillment to something that was out, you know, outside of me, I was lost in that dreaming, right? I was lost in the pursuit. I was lost in the movie of what it was that I was projecting out there. And I needed certain moments or experiences. And it really was a cascade of experiences, not just simply one that allowed me to say, wait a minute, there's something more going on here. And that started to create that opening that portal. And I'm curious what that was for you.
Mario (00:10:44):
Yeah, I would say the shattering of the illusion. And for me, this was when I was on my way in Germany to becoming a pilot. I was in the pilot training program with Lufthansa, one of the top companies in the world that offer this kind of training. And you know, Tony Robbins said this quote, he said, "Success without fulfillment is the ultimate failure." And I remember the day when I had worked so diligently, I had invested three years of, of just training, studying, preparing myself to make it to this, to this Lufthansa institution. And I was admitted and I walked into the school and it was like, someone takes a huge hammer and just swings it into my gut. And I got this feeling of like, oh my God, this is totally not what I imagined it would be. And it was just like, it felt like I kept on swimming my entire life and I swam and swam looking for the shore.
And as I was just approaching it and I, it was like, you see the island in front of you, the bountiful beautiful thing, and you swim and all of a sudden, boom, you hit against the wall and you realize what you've been chasing your entire life. It's just a picture. It's just a picture. It's not even real. And that was so disappointing because I told myself, hey, I, I did everything that society told me to do in order to be a happy, fulfilled human being. How come I am miserable and depressed and in the worst physical condition of my life at only 21 years old? And that was the beginning where I started to question my entire existence. Everything. And it opened me up to where I'm now.
Luke (00:12:38):
You described that viscerally, which is a, a feeling that I, I very much have connected to as well of arriving, I'd say even at a couple different points in my life. Cause I needed to go through this in different iterations of different kind of understanding and levels of, of experiencing this. Where you arrive at this place of feeling like, wait, I did the thing, I checked the boxes, I was right. I'd say, wait, I, I got this, I covered this, I covered this, I covered this. Why do I feel empty? Why do I feel drained? Why do I feel like it's just whatever I was, I thought I would have isn't there? And it's very disorienting. And I, I, cause I'm, I'm very curious about your experience of this. Let me describe it as very disorienting because the things that you have used to orient yourself no longer hold true. So you're not even sure like, how do I find my direction? And for me, I would describe what happened next as entering sort of a death stage. Because there's, right, there's so much in our identity and that orientation that literally needs to die for us to be able to see what's actually going on. Cause to get to the other side of this, we gotta go through some, some death. We gotta go through some dark faces at times.
Mario (00:13:54):
Spot on. And it was like that for me. It was, it was totally an utter destruction of everything that I believed in. It was, I lost so much faith and institutions and authority and I had, I was already before I was quite challenging when it comes to authority, yet I had still trusted that, you know, what they say eventually works out. But all of a sudden everything just didn't make any sense to me anymore. And I felt utterly and deeply alone because I was at a point where I'm like, I don't want to do this anymore. And if I admit that I don't want to do this anymore, I might be labeled as the biggest failure of society. Because I had sort of the golden ticket that society gives out. You know, it's like you're going to NASA and you got accepted and you have your whole life, you know, mapped out for you.
It's the entire career, it's done. You know, you could handpick a perfect partner because that partner's like, oh my goodness, look. And all of a sudden here I go, nope, not happening. And it was the most painful experience of my entire life that I went through. And in that there was such a disconnection from the way that I have been living life in so many ways. And I still remember the reason I am doing what I'm doing today is because on YouTube I came across Tony Robbins and Les Brown. And for me that was so radically new and different that there was a part of me that was just saying, yes, that's it. That's what you're meant to, to do with your life. And there was another part saying, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Don't you even dare think about this stuff. This is totally not who you are. And so I had this internal battle of fighting against myself for a long time. And who do you talk to when you're 21 years old in Germany? No one even understands what coaching or public speaking means. No one in, in my field even understood what it means to break away from an opportunity like that and then start fresh. So I was like, I can't talk to anybody. Nobody understands me.
Luke (00:16:06):
The loneliness that you just touched on is something that feels, I mean, talk about feeling like death where it's just like everything starts disconnecting. You don't know where to turn to, where to get support, where to just be seen in the witness to the experience that you're having at this moment. And that creates further isolation. And now you're even further disconnected from getting any type of support that'll help you through this. And I think that this is a, a threshold when I, so when I, just to be clear to everybody, when I describe that death or death of identity, things like that, it's this threshold that we're walking over that literally is saying, I'm walking behind and leaving this part of me behind and I'm walking into this completely unknown land, which is scary under itself. Now I'm doing it alone. Scary number two. And it just keeps compounding for me.
And I'm curious if you went through any of this yourself. I was not at 21. This was, you know, a bit later in my life when, when I went through this most significantly and I remember a phase, uh, a period of time where I could feel the grasping like, well what if I just hold onto this? Or what if I just go do that? Right. Where it's like, maybe I don't have to go totally in the cave. Maybe I can just like grab and hold onto a few things and at least I can take those with me, or at least I can hold on somehow. And I'm, I'm curious about that part of your experience as well because it was, you know, at some point you pretty much have to let go of the shore and get into the river for this to really transform.
Mario (00:17:47):
Yeah. I mean, again, spot on because when I quit my pilot career, I had no freaking clue what to do with my life. So I ended up doing a bunch of jobs just here and there so that they test out what sticks. And then I, I decided that I would go study fashion management in Berlin. And I didn't wanna do that genuinely, but to be honest, you know, I kept on hearing the voices. You gotta do something proper. You gotta do something that has substance. And the reason why I picked that specific course that I did in Berlin was because they advertised six months of the study program will be spent in New York. And for me, New York was screaming, become a coach and a speaker, share your story. So I was like, this is my ticket. I'm going to jump onto the ship and I will do anything possible to get to that destination.
And I told everybody that I spoke to about my future, ask me one day I will become a speaker and a coach. That's what, what will happen. Even when I went to New York and I, I became a co-founder of a startup, I told my partner, I said, dude, I just want you to know that the reason I'm in New York is because of this. I don't know when it will happen, but it will happen. So I just want you to be, I want you to understand that one day I will make that leap. And I had no idea how long, but I was holding on for, for security reasons. You know, I was, I was holding on to hanging out with people that I truly did not want to hang out with. You know, I was playing myself down often, you know, often the joy that I was feeling, the joy for life, the excitement for new ideas.
And because I was, I was eating this personal development world, I was just breathing it every day. I mean it was 24 settlement in my ears and I had, but I had no one to share it with. Because people would look at me like, especially in Germany, it's like, well that's kind of weird. You're the psychologist, you haven't studied that stuff. How can you talk about this? And I was like, yeah, tuning myself down and I was yearning for this unleashing where I could just finally be myself and have people say, dude, I get it. Of course I do the same thing.
Luke (00:20:08):
Yeah. For those tuning in, it's not new to you guys. You've heard me mention things like group work or circling, things along those lines. Certainly we're reaching out, working with a coach, a mentor guide to be able to work with individuals who can begin to not just understand. Like if you're working with a coach, a guide, a teacher, phenomenal. You've got somebody who's gonna help you in a slightly different capacity. But even that ability to be part of a circle or a group where you can simply be seen in your experience and with other people who are in some other aspect of this journey as well, it can be incredibly affirming. So like it's that, I won't say cured loneliness, but all of a sudden it's like we can be alone together on this walk. Right? And it is a very powerful thing when you realize you are really truly not walking alone.
Your details, the context of what you're going through may be very unique to you, but there are other people who've been on this journey and there are other people that are on this journey with you. And so I really appreciate you putting it that way. The other thing I wanted to mention is like when we're going through this phase of recognizing, okay, it wasn't that, it's not gonna be that I'm not gonna keep pursuing the, the illusion of more, right? There is also, if you have that ability to do a few things, meaning the, the basic job, whatever it is, that creates a bit of space for yourself so that you can do this work, you can allow it to unfold because it does not happen on a clock. It takes a bit of time. It begins to accelerate the more that you kind of surrender into it.
But to create that container for yourself to go through these types of experiences are also a really important part. And then the last thing that I wanted to mention, cause I'm curious to, to hear you pick up further on this, is that you knew like in the pursuit of that study, it was gonna bring you to New York. You knew even when you started the startup, you knew that this was just another stepping stone. And if you could speak a little bit to the importance of like following those breadcrumbs where there was like, you're not even, you had a vision, but you have no idea how it is that you're gonna get there. But there was something that was like, I'm gonna follow this nudge, I'm gonna follow that nudge. Because that's really difficult to do when you're just fresh off of this disorienting change in life.
Mario (00:22:31):
Yeah, I mean this was a timeline that span, span over a couple years. And because for me it was a very strong cultural drive having been born in Germany and spent most of my life there. And the German culture is very much authority driven, very much you follow the script, you do what you, everybody is doing, stick to that. And to me, I was always a big movie fan. I was huge on movies and I, I would look at movies and I say one day, you know, one day that's gonna be me. The fact that I became a pilot student was due to watching the movie Catch Me If You Can. I saw Leo playing Frank Abagnale, and I was like, I'm sold. That's it. This is who I am. Of course. But I didn't think about who I wanted to be was the actor behind who could just adopt different, different personalities, different faces.
And so for me, the US was representing a tremendous cultural shift towards I can be whoever I want to be. And so all I knew was I needed to be there. I needed to be around these people, these speakers, these coaches, these people that are doing this stuff. And all I did was make sure that wherever I am, I'm showing up, I'm showing up, and I'm delivering quality and I will make a difference in other people's lives. When I heard Tony Robbins and Les Brown speak on YouTube, it was like someone had taken a huge syringe and injected hope into my body because at that time I was ready to end my life. I was like, I can't talk about this. There's no other way. If I quit this, my life is over. And then I heard these people talk about, it's possible you can do it, you know, you can change yourself.
And I was like, this is amazing. And I did, and I passed on that story. And while I was a student, I was doing free talk to students all the time. You know, I was doing, whenever there was any opportunity for me to speak in public, I would take it as a way to practice. And I would share my story of how I overcame my depression. And people would listen and they went, wow, this really made an impact. So I would then join Toastmasters, a public speaking organization. From there I was invited to other speaking organizations, to events, to universities, to conventions. I just started showing up and making sure that I'm sharing something from the heart that helps people. And one step after the next, I got connected to the right people. And then I remember, and this is too loneliness, you know, the, the first time in my life where I had this incredible breakthrough experience with other people was at the landmark seminar, landmark education.
And I remember walking up with my big ego, you know, on the front of 150 people, had an opportunity to speak and share myself. Like, ah, this is great, I'm gonna do this. And the coach asked me the right questions and he broke me, he broke me to pieces in five seconds. And I started crying in front of 150 strangers. And it was so freeing because people stood up and hugged me and I'm like, this is incredible. So it sort of catapulted me into a new experience of life. And here I was having been vulnerable, which was my biggest fear. And I'm still here. I'm safe. Nobody's laughing at me, nobody's hurting me. Nobody wants to get rid of me. In fact, people are applauding me. Wow. Okay. Total transformation.
Luke (00:26:15):
Yeah. What did you learn through that? Meaning that moment of, of you are able to now speak from that vulnerable place in that particular moment, and that's what now all of a sudden has drawn people into you and drawn them to be connected to you? How specifically did that really start to shift things for you?
Mario (00:26:37):
It, what shifted the most for me, I think was to understand that what inspires people the most is not the accomplishments and achievements of other people, but their courage to be vulnerable and to be real. Because we live in such a fake, inauthentic world where, you know, that's why politicians have almost zero trust nowadays because they're completely inauthentic. They show no emotions, they're at zero vulnerability. And when I witnessed that firsthand, I recognize that I can speak to people that are much further ahead in the game than me without trying to compete on that level without trying to tell them, here's what you should do. No, but just by sharing heartfelt stories. And it just opened every door for me. And another thing that I also recognized was the cure for loneliness, or the antidote for loneliness is human connection, is actual human connection. And human connection to me is only possible when you have a level of vulnerability and authenticity in that.
Luke (00:27:48):
Yeah, I would almost even say it that way, right? Is that that cure of loneliness, is that ability to be vulnerable. And that because when we're vulnerable, that's what creates the gateway into that human connection. You know, something I, I just, I want to kind of point out that trajectory of part of what you just shared, going back to, you know, what do we really, really, really want and why are we doing what we're doing? And as you described part of what New York was and the image of it was that moving out of some of the cultural kind of rigidity that you described and moving into this place where it's possible, I can more now fully step into who it is that I really am and I'm meant to be. And then the irony of having to go through the learning of what does that really mean while you're here, like you said, thinking like, hey, it's Landmark Forum, a hundred fifty, two hundred fifty people, here's my chance I'm gonna do this. I'm gonna show them who I am. Oh God, it's not who I am.
Mario (00:28:45):
Exactly.
Luke (00:28:46):
And just, and having, right, like learning at a whole different level at that moment of I gotta be careful what I ask for. But it is that, and it's, it's so, it's recognizing again that, you know, what do we really, really want? Asking why? And kind of walking with that as an unfolding question. We don't need to have the, the, like, the answer at this moment in time. It can be something we listen for, something that we watch what the signs are, look at those moments presented to us. I mean, the only other thing that I, I really wanted to call out too, is how you describe hope. This is, you know, for, for anybody else who, you know, if you're listening to this podcast, you probably listen to other podcasts. Rob Bell on the broadcast does a, he did a couple of parts series on hope and what he describes, which Mario, you just, you, you just exhibited, illustrated exceptionally well, is that, that hope is not meant to simply be whether we are kind of wishful about how things are going in the world and just viewing things as, well I hope this works out and you know, kind of orienting towards this outcome that hope is meant to be a very co-creative process. And that's what, so hope was, okay, it's possible. And it requires me to believe in myself, to take these little steps, to make these little changes, to put myself in these situations that challenge me, that grow me, that evolve me, that occasionally knock me back on my butt. And I learn from that too. And so even in that hope creates that little bit of spark, but it's then an active process that we engage in that actually allows it to come to fruition. I mean, I'm sure you see this all the time with both the work you've done and the clients that you're supporting.
Mario (00:30:32):
Yeah, that, totally. And you know, to me hope is, is being able to even see and recognize that there is a door. Cause for most people, they're living a life where all you see is darkness. All you see is walls. You see no opening, there's no light that comes through. And hope, I find is the, the gateway where you can begin to see the light. Yet hope is not enough. And hope is, you need so much more than hope and you need, you need, and for me it was, I had a vision all of a sudden, again, I had the vision that what I'm experiencing right now can one day be the medicine for people that are in the same place. And being able to see that I'm not this weird person that just thinks this way and nobody else thinking that way.
It's like, wait a minute. There are people like that, like me that are doing this on a daily basis and they're doing really well with that. They're helping people, they make good money, they have a really good life route. That's possible? Really? So, then I had, I started to see the vision and then it was my determination to, and that I think that came from a place of fear to never, ever feel this way again. I would never suffer this much again. And so I went into a deep dive to uncover why I felt this way in the first place. How did I get myself there? And I wanted to get rid of this whole sensation of, oh, I got this way, I was there because of my dad, my mother society... So no, no, no, no, I got this way because I decided to be there.
Let's unpack this. Let's take a look at what did, how did I come to making those decisions? And that just opened up a library of knowledge and really a blueprint for me to look into and say, okay, this is what I do in my relationship. This isn't what I do in my health. This is what I do in my spirituality. And so now I can reverse engineering. So now when I work with clients, you know, we work on this whole, you know, more, more, more. And then I tell them, listen, this is what's happening in your mind right now. 1, 2, 3. And they look at me. What, how did you know that? That's exactly what I was thinking. Yeah, I know that you're thinking about because I've been thinking the same thing when I was there for years. And all the other people are thinking, thinking the same thing, same thing. It's a narrative that is just passed on from people that were living very different lives in a very different time, but have never changed the narrative. Now you're just repeating and regurgitating that. So hope has really opened up the, the whole new world for me that allowed me to be here today.
Luke (00:33:26):
My relationship with hope has been changing over the past few years. There used to be something that felt almost naive or even childish about hope, like making a wish that something would work out the way that you really wanted it to be. I'll admit that hope and that wishful thinking was all about things or situations that were beyond me, beyond my power to influence or control. But now hope is actually something that's meant to be more directed through intention, attention, and choice. I'll get to that in a moment. You see, instead of hoping for things outside of our control, no matter how well meaning from someone's health and recovery to ending world hunger, let's use that hope, that energy for things to be better in some way. And use that to guide that which we can influence and interact with and begin with acts of co-creation.
Hope is also very difficult to connect with during challenging times. And when we feel like we're sitting in the darkness, we may not be able to have that vision that begins pulling us out. In these times, it can be best to start small on small actions, small choices, simple intentions, and help us to create even a crack in the darkness for the light to get in. These small steps can create a little momentum, which helps us restore energy for ourselves. Now to be clear, these small steps, they don't need to be actions that get us out there or that feel like they move us too far, too fast or in very uncomfortable ways. But they can be small actions of just letting someone to sit with us, just to be with us. Even if we talk very little, it can be saying a few kind words to ourselves in the mirror as we start our day.
It can be writing for just two or three minutes even, each morning to release some of the energy that's been built up or pent up inside of us. It can be sitting and watching the rain or snowfall and just allowing yourself to be present with nature. These are all just small ways of beginning to create space. So that light, that hope, and even a glimmer of something small can re-enter for you. Hope can be active, it can be directed through intention, attention, and choice. As I was saying, intention helps you focus on what you wish to bring to this area that needs hope. What are the qualities, the ways of being, the energy you wish to bring into that area? Now attention, attention helps us to call our awareness to where we need to practically or tangibly focus. If we're going to bring these qualities, these ways of being forward, what can we then attend to with them?
Is it an area of focus, like a relationship or a situation? Is it to reinforce more positives and gratitude to offset areas that feel more despair right now? Where can you bring your attention that allows your intentions to have impact? And last, it's about choice because everything presents us with a choice. Even if that choice isn't conscious, let's face it, the situation may not be your choosing, but what you do with it or how you relate to it, that is your choice. We've made a very large number of our choices unconsciously through our conditioning, through our habits and patterns, through our needs for safety or certainty or control. This is part of our development. The more we can bring these choices into our consciousness. So we can now decide, is that what we would still choose? Or what new choices we might want to introduce that pair up with our intentions and our attentions? This is how we use hope to get co-creative and start putting out new energy, new actions, new commitments and change into our worlds. So let's take hope from I wish, to I can, and I will.
I'm curious about as you uncovered some of those decisions, those choices that you had made that led you to that spot. Right? To kind of give everybody some frame of, frame of reference. You know, for me, I can say the number of different choices I've made to cover up the not feeling enough to cover up the inadequacies. So for me it could look like, I think I've even mentioned this before here is, you know, at times I would overcompensate and take on other people's challenges, burdens or otherwise because I wanted to, to be either the rescuer or I wanted to keep control of the situation. And so I'm okay, I'm gonna, I'm gonna do this cause at least that way I can keep control of this and then I'll feel better about what's going on there were, you know, any number of times, I know the choices that I made to disconnect from being vulnerable, especially in my relationships because I would just kind of shut down and that was a choice that I was making, a defense mechanism that I was using. But it was, it was a choice that I made. And so I'm curious for you, you know, what were, so just a couple of those choices that you recognized that were kind of leading you down to that place?
Mario (00:38:46):
Yeah. Similar to what you shared and one of the biggest ones for me. Do not ask for help. Do not ask for help. Because if you do ask for help, it means you're weak. It means you're incapable. It means people won't trust you. And that made me take so much more time on this journey of entrepreneurship because quite frankly, you know, if I had a question to something, I'd say, okay, I'll find the answer. And I would hustle myself through books, through courses, through everything. Now it's like, okay, hmm, how do I do this? Who do I know? So before I ask how, I'll ask myself, who, who do I know that can help me with this? Even you and I, we got connected through Reggie. Reggie and I have connected through another business network. I, you know, connected with Reggie.
Reggie asked me, Mario, what can I do for you? Reggie, do you know like a few great podcast hosts? Yeah, sure, let me connect you. Boom. Normally what I would've done is create some sort of a cold reach out strategy, maybe on LinkedIn. Hey Luke, you know, I've been listening to uh, one or two episodes of yours here, but you might not even see that message because you're busy, you have lots of things going on. But I would be too proud and too scared to ask Reggie, hey buddy, can you help me out? Or even in a financially difficult situation, you know, I remember once my computer was stolen and actually in Cape Town, South Africa and I had miscalculated something in my business. So I ended up, you know, at a very low amount of money in my bank account. And I was like, oh god damn, so here we are.
So I was like, okay, but I could ask my, at the time, girlfriend. I was like, no, I can't do that. I'm not a man. I can't do that. And eventually I got through that. It's like, well, and it was really difficult for me to do that. I was like, can you yourself? Of course. Yeah. With, with pleasure. Right. So don't ask for help was a big one, which is connected to don't tell people how you really feel, really dangerous. And that caused me to pretty much sabotage many of my intimate relationships because I never expressed what I desire in a relationship genuinely. Because I was sort of like, she should know, she doesn't know. Maybe she's not the right fit, you know? And then sort of, and the relationship repeat the next one and the next one. I'm always thinking, why do I keep arriving at the same place? What's happening? How do I do? It's ah, okay, you don't have those uncomfortable conversations with your partner because you think if you did, she would leave you. So I've changed that as well. So those are just a few things that really made a monumental difference in my life.
Luke (00:41:35):
It's spot on, it's, right, and it's the reason why we share a lot of these things is because there is some universality. Again, the details, the context may look different, but a lot of these are patterns we all run into. And it's certainly that idea of, you know, don't tell people how you feel. Do not ask for help. Especially in, in kind of western cultures and western civilization. There is such this myth of this self-made ban as it were, of this what it means to be independent. And we buy into it and it takes us out of the fact that we're relational people. Relational beings, right? We're meant to support and help each other. I love the, you know, not, not how do I need to do this, but who do I know, right? What do I need to know, know, who do I need to know?
And I'm curious then at this it, with this part as well of, of kind of like, okay, where do we start kind of making those different choices? And as we kind of go in there, I know for myself, I had to really arrive almost at like a surrender moment. And what I mean, for me, at least in my journey, one of the biggest things that I had to come face-to-face with is you just actually referenced part of this was my need to know. I need to know how it's gonna work out. I need to know my plan, I need to know the vision, right? I gotta have it all kind of, I didn't have to have it all mapped out, but I needed to know enough, right? There's that enough word, needed to know enough, for me to be able to move forward. And I had to surrender the fact that you're not gonna know, like you don't get to know how this journey is not gonna fully reveal itself to you until you let go of that.
And then be more kind of present in your life and present to what's unfolding, present to what's being revealed to you. And have enough trust in yourself that you'll know what you need to know when you need to know it. But that's, you know, literally 180 degree turn from the way that not only I had been, but the way that I became successful in a lot of the things that I did was knowing I was a guy that knew. So let me do it. So I'm curious for you, what do you recall was kind of that surrender moment where it's like, okay, now I'm ready to start making different choices and to let go.
Mario (00:43:45):
So the first one, one of the first huge one was, as I shared, was the Landmark Forum for me, which was I went in so confidently, Luke, like to this microphone. I'm like, I'm about to own this place, baby. I'm about to say something so inspirational. People are gonna come to me, Mario. Wow. Oh my God, you changed my life to saying this one thing. And here I go getting ready. And the coach asked me about my sister. I'm like, what? Why my sister? And then, and then as I start speaking, I like, I start choking and the tears start running and I'm like, oh, oh God, what is happening? Oh my goodness. And I'm like, this is, no, no, no. This is not good. And so that was the first time where I broke down in front of so many people and it catapulted me into the idea of receiving coaching and having mentors.
And having people that guide me and reflect me. And that was truly profound. And then the second time, I remember, was when I reconnected with spirit, with God. And it was during, it was through a ceremony. So I remember I was in New York and you know, I was in a, I was in a, at a friend's place visiting and I saw came in, sit down and saw these guys. And I was like, what you just, I, it sounded disgusting. It's like, what is this? And then we started getting into it and they talked to me about ayahuasca, and I was like, what is that? I researched it. Wow. It's amazing. And I didn't research the whole part about the purging. I just, you know, the visions and the life transformations. And I went into that. I was invited to it with, with my fiancee.
And then we arrived there and all of a sudden it was this total, for lack of a better word, hippie crowd. Everyone was just open, wild and free. And I was sort of like in my, my, in my, you know, chic casual, business casual style. I was like, oh God, everybody's hugging each other and like the long hugs, uncomfortable long ones, the one where you just like go and you sort of melt into one another. And I'm like, okay, this is really weird. Okay, yeah, thanks. And in that ceremony again, there were about 30 people. It was so uncomfortably freeing where, because I cried for three hours, I was purging and puking up and just, just letting loose in so many ways where at the end of it I was like, wow, this is totally different from my entire life. From this whole saving phase, of keeping cool, being the guy, you know, who knows all the answers and just releasing it all.
That to me was a monumental shift. And from that day onwards, I opened myself up to more guidance that was coming in for more, being more spontaneous, saying yes to things that I've never said yes to and allowing myself to, to be the whole shift from doing to being started at that point. And it was, it was revolutionary for me. Cause I was like, I didn't even understand that there is such a thing called being, all I knew was about, okay, change your mindset. Do it. Change your mindset. Do it. Think happy thoughts, think positive, go do more. And then it was all about just being and sitting there and just being with that stuff that comes up. I'm like, this is really, really uncomfortable and really powerful and amazing and I feel, and I feel in a way that I've never felt in my entire life. So let's say that's, that was, those two events were monumental.
Luke (00:47:45):
You mentioned that that experience was what started to reconnect you to the divine, to God. And I'm, I'm curious for you what that connection, like what, how did that open up? Or what does that, you know, what did that look like for you? Because I also find, you know, again, from, from my own journey as well as a lot of people that I support are almost like rediscovering that part of their spirituality because the, maybe the, the traditional routes or some of the religions just have not spoken to them and it's something that they have moved off on their own and yet they're missing that connection. They can feel that there's a connection that's missing for themselves. And I've got ways to describing that. But I'm, I'm curious what that looked like.
Mario (00:48:28):
So this is an interesting conversation and for me, as you just talked about it, you know, was raised Roman Catholic. My parents weren't really religious. My mom, yes. But not really actively living that, my father, hardcore atheist, very, very logical. Like, you gotta prove it to me. And I took that on and I was all about, okay, let's have a conversation. Talk to me about it. As soon as you would start getting into like scripture and talking about things that logically to me didn't make sense, I would shut down and say, this is stupid. You don't even believe this yourself. You just saying this cause somebody told you. And so I felt, I think I felt a great sense of disappointment towards my idea of God because I associated God with religion. And I was like, these people are nothing God-like that I imagined.
And so then during that ayahuasca, while I was going through a lot of suffering and crying and reliving past memories that I had never even looked at in my, my entire life, I felt this great presence holding me this whole time. It felt like I was, I was going through all of this in the arms of the great mother. I knew there was a knowing that it doesn't matter how rough this ride gets, I'm safe. And, and you know, that's, this was my first experience ever. So it was completely overwhelming. And I knew I'm safe, I am loved and I am always looked out for. And that to me, just, it was this visceral experience on a DNA level that just shattered my mind into pieces. Its like, okay, I believe, you know, I still have doubts, but I was like, I believe it. Okay. It makes sense. This is, there is something there. And that just opened me up to a whole new pathway of living life through the, the eyes of God.
Luke (00:50:32):
Yeah. I'll share just from my perspective of what I've, I've been through is that I know that feeling in my way of, of having experienced it, of being held and that, that feeling of being held by great mother, my gateway was largely through nature. And you know, there's a lot of things that you're describing that I also, you know, experienced my version of through my own lenses. And I did not go through a, a plant medicine ceremony. This was through other forms of being in nature and meditation and some shamanic drumming and things along those lines that I was having that type of connection, those types of visions, those types of feelings. And it reconnected me to something. And, and the way I, I described this kind of the most simply is it felt like my energy source went from being outer sourced as we've talked about, you know, earlier today of, of all of those outer pursuits that are there to being inner sourced.
And that inner source though is not an ego thing. It was a feeling as if there is this divine web that we are connected to and we are each plugged into that web in our own respective way. And being able to access that from within yourself and be able to also access all that we're connected to through that web of life. And so whether you wanna call it God, divine, universe, life, spirit, source, doesn't matter to me. However you relate to it is cool with me. And, but it is recognizing that there is a relationship that is there, there is something there for us to be able to interact with. And it takes us to this much deeper connected space. To me, that's where I, as you, you described before of just then all of a sudden you were able to start following and being more open to what some of the nudges were, what were, you know, some of the directions, the signs, you were more open to those things.
Very similar for myself of even recognizing now some of those signs, some of those relationships that all of a sudden just came into my life or all of like two weeks just to point me into a different direction and nudge me in a different way. I would've missed those. And I did miss those for many, many years because they weren't part of what I knew, they weren't part of the plan, they weren't part of what I could see. And now it's, it's just being much more presence to the way things are unfolding and, and interacting with that unfolding in this really beautiful way. For me, that's a spiritual connection.
Mario (00:53:07):
As you were speaking, what came back to me was one of the, actually, if not the biggest, the biggest shift that I got from all of that. And that was recognizing that there is a force, which it doesn't matter what we call it, that is infinitely giving. And through this infinitely giving ability, it becomes infinitely powerful. Like there's a, I don't know who said it, but if you look at the sun, the sun has never asked you, or I, or anyone, for anything in return. And yet for my entire lifetime, every single day reliably shows up and it nurtures all of us. And I took that on deeply. And for me now, and even late, early on, I made a shift from me, me, me, me taking, taking, taking, what can I get to giving? And I think the reason why, since that day where I suffered so deeply, which was now what, almost 12 years ago, I've never had a major downfall that lasted this long because I shifted my life towards giving.
And giving is just the source of joy, fulfillment, peace, passion, all of it. It just comes from that. And to me, that is God. Nature of God is giving, nurturing. And that's what I felt in that ceremony. That's what I felt at Landmark when I was nurtured and people were giving me their, their undivided attention while I was being vulnerable. And to this day, it continues to be the one reliable thing that will always rebuild my, my sensation of hope, of, of confidence, of courage. When I give and I see another person how it lands, it lights me up. It puts me back on fire.
Luke (00:55:18):
Yeah. I would even say that you went from this place of either, you know, taking or receiving. And I would, I personally would say that you went from a place of receiving to being, because the way that at least I relate to being is that free giving away of our life. Right? It's that radiance of, of the sun as you described, that just keeps shining. It just keeps doing its thing without needing to ask in return. But it's not even thinking in terms of give and take, it's just thinking in terms of this is what I am and let me just share from this place. And I think, you know, and, and cause I obviously I've, I've, you know, I've seen your TED talk, we've spoken before now. And it is that connection to being that just kind of puts it out. It's our free giveaway to the world. And the more that we interact from that place, it's effortless for us. I wouldn't even say it rejuvenates, I would say it's this place that when we're just, just really being from our core, there's nothing that's limiting that. So there's nothing that drains it. And so therefore it is that kind of infinite source. It is that constantly sustainable energy, constantly renewable energy that's just there for us. I, I guess I'm, I'm, I am curious with how that sits with you because I, I did want to talk a little bit about this being, you know, aspect as well because I was, man, I had a master's degree in this.
I was good at that. So there was something you said, and I had had this from your, your TED talk and I just loved the, the simplicity with which you, you put this, if I stop all the doing, who am I being? It's a great line because that's what I recognize for myself. Why I had the need to know why I had the need to be busy, why I had the need to do that, was the doing allowed me to feel active. It allowed me to feel like there was something I'm, you know, active and interacting with the world. I've earned something by doing it this way or I'm doing the things I'm supposed to. And if I let that go and I just focus on being, well, how in the heck am I gonna get anything done in my life? And so I'm curious, as you went on that exploration and do this with your clients, tell me a little bit about that. Like once you make that switch from doing to being, tell me a little bit about that switch.
Mario (00:57:51):
That's a great conversation. This is an area that I am still very much exploring because there's so many nuances to this. And just like you, Master's Degree, maybe even PhD in doing, you know, just like a freaking rocket train. Always move forward, more, let's go. And what I found for me was as I made the shift away from doing, towards being, and when I say that I don't want people to now think, oh, he just sat down for like four months and did nothing. No, I still continue to do a lot. However, I decided to make more time for my beingness. Meaning the beingness that often you will encounter when you're new to this world is there's a lot of suffering in that. There's a lot of, you encounter the loneliness, you encounter the frustration, the anger, the sadness. That's all part of the state of being.
Now it's not like, okay, just be, and then all of a sudden infinite potential. It's like, no be, let's go through all of the things you never wanted to go through. And that can, that can be a thick layer now for me, because I did plant medicine that's like therapy on steroids. So I wouldn't say that's, it's not, not for everyone, but for me it was a very accelerated process. And so as I went through that, for me, you know, the things that I just shared, I encountered and that was very uncomfortable. And you know, the places where that showed up the most, not just for me but also for all the clients that I work with is in their relationships because that's, you know, our relationships are our biggest mirrors. And so I brought up a lot of the ways that I, that the ways of being in relationships and my way of being in relationships mostly was inauthentic, was keeping people away from me so that it, so I wouldn't see what's truly happening underneath.
And as I started to share more and more of that, less and less of that was actually, uh, remained present because you know, what you feel has space to heal. And that then started to uncover the, what you were saying, sort of as like the true essence, the peace. Now because I've done so much inner work, now I can get myself into a profound state of bliss and peace within a couple minutes through breathing and through certain mental techniques. I reach a level of just like pure bliss. And it's just so beautiful. Before that would take me a long time. Cause my mind's okay, once I get this done and I get this done and I get this done, ah, now I'm just like, no, no, those are all meaningless things. Let's just go straight to, and then the being, that's another important aspect to understand, the being is what enables your doing.
So all of your doing comes from a place of being, all of it. So it's not like the two don't go hand in hand. And so what happens, and what happened for me and also with my clients is the more I make time and space to nurture my state of being, the more quality my doing has. Something that might take you five hours may then only take you half an hour. That's why I say, you know, the things that normally take you years, we do it in six months or less. Why? Because we come from a place of being full. And being full is when you're feeling yourself, you are also refueling yourself. And you know that just the other day client of mine, we were going through certain business challenge that you was feeling and you know, it's like, yeah, I'm doing all the things.
And I said, how do you feel about that? You're doing all the things and it's still not happening the way you want to. He's like, get angry. Just, I'm like, great. When was the last time you allowed yourself to be really angry and scream and smash something, you know, not a living being, you know, maybe like a stone or something. And he's like, never. I'm like, so here's what I want you to do today. Go drive into the forest where you feel you're completely by yourself and unleash. And he does it. And he texts me and he's like, dude, I feel so amazing. I feel so good. And then you look at his next week, productivity just peaks. That's the magic of it. You know, it's not like people think when you're focusing too much on the being, you stay stuck there. You're just always sad. You know, you will always cry. He said, no, the reason you keep being in that states, because you keep repressing it. You're like, no, no, I don't wanna cry, don't scream, don't say that. No, just keep it inside of you. So that's sort of my experience with being and you know, there's so much more to uncover.
Luke (01:02:57):
Yeah, there is, but it, it, you know, a great wave of what you just described, right, is that a lot of the doing that we tend to take on is so that we don't have to be with what we're actually experiencing or feeling at any in given time. And that's, it's almost like that first step as you described it, which I would describe pretty much the same way. First step of being is being with, being with your experience, being with your emotions, being with what needs healing, being with what those hurts and those sufferings and those pains actually are in your life right now. Because when we're not with them, they get stuck and it's just, they're just waiting. Like, please let me process, let me process. I'm gonna just keep reminding you until you let me process. And until we can be with them, they can't complete that cycle.
You know, the, I love that you describe it as, you know, nurturing the state of being, because that's a lot of, listen, we do have other stuff. We've gotta pay the bills, we wanna put food on the table, we wanna take care of our kids or our partners and spouses and everything else. And so there's stuff that we do need to be active with in our lives, but we can be cultivating and nurturing that inner state of being in the same moment. Right? We can do that along the way. We can work on that so that we're consistently bringing more of that peace, that inner balance, that inner freedom to the activities that we happen to be taking on and even time. And for me, part of what I began to recognize was if there's a state of being that you wish to have more of in your life, whether you wanna call it happiness, joy, bliss, peace, whatever, right?
You wouldn't know you wanted it unless you've had at least the smallest experience with it. Otherwise how would you know? Right? And if you've had the smallest experience of it, it already exists within you, it's already there. And so for me, one of those biggest realizations was I want to just start allowing that through, how do I remember my way back there? And just begin to allow that energy, allow that state back through into my life. Well that then brought up, well why can't I allow this? What's blocking me from allowing it? And that just started, right? Just started revealing all these different things of, oh, I'm blocking my joy there, I'm holding my peace back there. I'm not allowing to feel this over here, which is why I'm out of balance right now. And it just, right. And so it's just our natural state is just to let it out. It's, it takes a lot of energy to hold it in. But that's, we've gotta be with those with all aspects.
Mario (01:05:28):
And you just said something really, really important. That one question I think, which is so profound. Why am I not allowing myself to feel this way? That question will unravel an entire world to you. Well, if you ask the question, why am I not allowing myself to be at peace? Right? And then you are like, well the usual thing that I get there is, uh, well if I have peace, I will just eat nachos on the couch, watch Netflix and do nothing. Right? That's the first thing that you get. And then you can say, okay, so what, what would being at peace help me actually do? And then you get into the whole possibility space. But then you also get, like, you look at how does peace affect your relationships and the way that they're currently taking place, right? And some, in many cases, if you have peace, you gotta drop being right.
And when you drop being right, it all changes dramatically. Because then you can no longer pride yourself to be the one that knows, has all the answers. Then you gotta let go of controlling everything. Cause with controlling, being right goes hand in hand. And you know, I'm not speaking from a place of like, I don't do any of that. I still do these things, you know, and there's the practices in catching yourself. And I catch myself like, ah, okay, got it. So, and you know, ultimately with that question comes true freedom. Because then you could say, I can allow myself to feel whatever I want to feel wherever I am because my peace is more important than anything else. And you know, for me, I have a credo that I follow that I created myself. And in it I have, I choose love over being right.
I choose just to view people that trigger me as my best teachers. Why? Because I know they trigger something inside of me that I, that where I'm not free and where I'm not healed. And that might be a very uncomfortable realization and I'm very happy that I have it because then again, I can say, well what is the condition that I've unconsciously created for myself in which I'm not allowing myself to feel the way that I want to feel? Okay, how can I change the condition? Ah, that's when you truly become the master of your mind because now you can unravel blueprints quickly and you can say, okay, doesn't work for me anymore. Let me change that.
Luke (01:08:03):
Mario, this has been excellent conversation. I want to kind of just wrap up with this. Is that we started this conversation of when is enough, enough? And so, let me add my 2 cents because then I wanna give you the last word on this, is I think you, you really, truly just brought a key piece of this together is that when enough is enough is when we allow it to be, when we allow it to be enough. And that's that inner state of, of allowing, of being, of being present, of being accepting. It's all of these qualities that simply allow and then all of a sudden all the noise starts to fade.
Mario (01:08:45):
Yeah.
Luke (01:08:46):
Mario, how about yourself? When is enough, enough?
Mario (01:08:49):
Beautifully said. You know, when you decide that it's enough and when you can finally realize that there is so much more power, possibility, joy, passion, freedom in living from the end, you know, Wayne Dyer talks about this. He talks about will living from the end. And I, for the longest time, I have no clue what that even means. And now I totally get it. Now it's like, okay, living from the end of my relationship, what does that look like? Oh, it looks like absolute joy and love. Okay, how can I embody that? Okay, where do I, where am I not allowing myself to feel that way on any different places, right? Okay, dancing, I want to dance. Oh, but people might think that's weird. Great. Let them think it's weird. That's totally okay. So I'm going with it. So I would say, if you're truly feeling enough right now, then you have no more limitations.
You have no, nothing more that you need to achieve that will give you permission to access any greater levels of yourself. You already have it. And with that, and so what I ask all my clients, when you are already at peace, doesn't it then make sense that you only wanna do the things that excite you and that you love the most cause there's so much fun? Don't you just want to naturally do so much more of that any given day? And the answer is yes. So what's to lose in that? There's only a big, beautiful winning and celebration of your life in that. So my invitation is, you know, if you want to continue playing the not enough game, go have fun, right? Do it, do it all the way. And you know, if you're ready to stop doing that, then make that decision. Make that decision with every fiber of your being. Because when you make that decision and you honor that decision, your life will radically improve in the long run. Short term, you might, might, might say, oh, Luke, Mario, hate you guys, you know, just did that. And now everything is just, ah, you know, hang in there. Well, we'll get there.
Luke (01:11:06):
Mario, I wanna thank you so much for going on this walk with me, with us. I have just deeply appreciated the experiences, the wisdom, the insights, all the things that you've had to share today. And most of all, I appreciate and thank you for the energy that you bring this conversation into the world.
Mario (01:11:23):
Luke, thank you so much. It has been a plum pleasing pleasure as one of my mentors, Les Brown always used to say. And I, I trust that this conversation will bring value to whoever is listening today. And with that, I feel very complete and I thank you for having me as a guest on your show.
Luke (01:11:43):
Outstanding. Thank you.
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