030 - What is My Human Design?

In today’s walk, we’re taking on a very special topic with an equally special guest. Today we talk about human design, a very deep and complex concept that has intrigued me ever since I was introduced to it, many years ago. To accompany me on this journey is my walking partner for today, Nik McRae, who I first met 3 years ago. 

Over the years, my conversations with Nik have been extremely helpful and insightful and have taught me many deep things about myself. Nik helped me understand some of the tendencies that are innately baked into the design of who I am. This also allowed me to connect with some tools and gifts that I didn’t even realize I had.

So for this conversation, not only do we discuss more about human design but I put my own design fully on view as Nik uses my profile to illuminate this system and wisdom. As part of this, we get into the importance of waiting to act at the right time, how stress and urgency affects our design, and finding our rhythms in life… among a lot more.

In This Episode

  • (07:46) – How to be skeptical without being in denial.

  • (09:22) – Finding out my human design.

  • (10:05) – How our design helps us navigate our experiences.  

  • (13:13) – Finding your voice and making it impactful.

  • (22:22) – The importance of waiting to act at the right time.

  • (23:46) – My actual lived experience of being a splenic manifestor.

  • (32:35) – Navigating through what you’re seeing.

  • (48:15) – The impact of stress and urgency on our design.

  • (52:00) – Building awareness on the dynamics of close relationships.

  • (1:05:19) – Taking on the form of someone else’s design. 

  • (1:14:55) – How current events corresponded to today’s discussion.

  • (1:26:30) – Discussing personal timings and finding our rhythms.

Notable Quotes

  • “What I have been finding to be most beneficial in working with friends and clients and family members and especially with my own designs over the years, it’s not how we fit into our design but how our design helps us navigate our own experiences more innately, more instinctually. The more you start to learn about the nuances of these systems and when you have someone to help translate that into actual experiences of your life, that when we can start to see how to apply these things in a practical way that has nothing to do just with the belief of it but has everything to do with the application of it.”

  • “We go through these changes of season because there are meant to be these cycles that are recurring within our universe. One of the seasons specifically is reminding us of that process of birth, life, death. Going into death and then the rebirth cycle. And we go through these different phases throughout the course of our lives. And to me, the more that we start to pay attention to what feels like the divine timing or life's timing for us as it begins to unfold is becoming more and more felt to me because it doesn't feel like I'm trying to force my way through the way things are happening and instead to work with it, to be in the flow of the river as opposed to trying to direct the river in a given way.”

Our Guest

Having been introduced to the world of emotional and energetic repatterning as a child, Nik McRae has been studying and practicing in the esoteric arts all of his life. With 10 + years working professionally as a mentor of astrology and human design, he specializes in shadow work integration and esoteric tool building practices using the language of metaphors, vibrational resonance and a unique tool forging process, Nik reveals how fundamental principles and practices can be refined into specialized patterns that apply to our lives directly every day. 

Find Nik and learn more about your own design at www.BeyondIroNik.com. 

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On This Walk

  • [00:00:00] Luke: Welcome to On This Walk, a show about the winding journey of life in all its realness. I'm Luke Iorio. Please join me and my brilliant heart-centered guests each week as we look to navigate this journey more consciously and authentically uncovering how to tap back into that sense of connection with self, with soul, and with something bigger than ourselves. Now, let's go on this walk.

    Hey there everyone, and welcome again to On This Walk. Uh, I think you probably already picked up on a little bit of this, but, uh, I've always been a little bit curious about new subjects, new places, new experiences, uh, and that interest in expanding into areas that were even a bit far afield for me.

    That's something that's increased more in just the last, like, six to seven years. And I've gotta admit what I started to open up to fields that felt like they were a bit different than the path that I had traveled. It did at times feel sort of like I was chasing, you know, the white rabbit down the, down the hole, uh, into wonderland and just kind of seeing how far, uh, this hole was gonna go.

    And, uh, so there, there's gonna be a little bit of that actually in this conversation today. And so, uh, what it took me into was traveling into some much more spiritual, as well as esoteric paths than I've ever kind of investigated, explored Adventured into, uh, ever before in my life. And one such field that I was introduced to.

    And of course, as soon as I say it, a huge number of you have known about this field, uh, and other related fields for decades and decades and decades and beyond, was human design. It was something that was very, very new to me. And so for those that are new to this, uh, as I still am, Uh, just to give you a kind of a reference point for this, human design combines astrology, the e Ching, Cabala and Veic Philosophy Center around the division of personalities into five energy types that indicate how someone is supposed to exchange energy with the world.

    Now it's that last part, how we are meant to exchange energy with the world based on who we uniquely are. That's the part that drew my attention as to what this could be. Uh, that's why I started to, to become intrigued and see, I wonder what this holds now. We're gonna get there in a second because I was introduced to my walking partner for today, about three years ago.

    Uh, but I'm gonna admit it took me another several months before I was ready to sit down with him for a session. And I gotta acknowledge, I gotta admit, you know, why was there hesitation? Well, yes, I was interested in the part of this that was around that energy exchange, something that has been on my radar for some time.

    That was true. But this connection to astrology in other esoteric fields was extremely new, like extremely, uh, off from of, of the beaten path that I had been on. And I honestly, I didn't know how much of this I really, truly, genuinely believed in. I thought it might be interesting, I thought it could be maybe novel, maybe it could, you know, uh, provide something, uh, for me.

    But is it something I could really sink my teeth into? And would it offer me something practical that I could see making a difference on an everyday level in my life? Was it gonna strike me that way? And was it gonna ring true at that level for me, or was it gonna prove novel? Well, thankfully, I was getting to get to know my partner for today, Nik, who I'm gonna introduce you to in a second.

    And as I got to know him, I recognized he was tapping into a lot more than even human design. He was tapping into all sorts of different fields and experience and expertise that he has, as well as, uh, his intuition and things that honestly just make Nik who he is, uh, something much further than, than simply just a, an expert in one particular field.

    And so, as I got to know him and all of these unbelievable insights and wisdoms he was drawing in, in a variety of conversations that I was in with him, uh, I figured, you know what, why not? Let's, let's see what it holds, right? I've got nothing to, nothing to lose. Let's see what really starts to unfold from getting into these conversations and seeing where they could lead. Well, sort of why we're here today is they, they have been leading somewhere and I have found them.

    You know, what, what I've experienced, I guess in this work with Nik has been extremely helpful as well as extremely insightful. It's taught me many things even deeper about myself. And this is for somebody who's been on this path for quite some time and they're beyond anything. Like, you know, when you, when you go through human design or something similar far beyond what you know, you may get from a personality assessment or an attitudinal assessment or things like that, because it helped me to understand certain tendencies that are innately baked into the design of who it is that I am.

    It also allowed me to connect with certain tools and gifts that in some instances I didn't even realize I had. And yet since discovering them, I can tell you they are very, very real and they are very, uh, it feels like something that's just completely in alignment and attuned to who I innately am. So it feels incredible to be able to apply those things.

    And so as part of being on this walk, I figured we'd go just fully open on this, uh, meaning that this is not gonna simply be a conversation about human design and some of these other related fields. I've instead asked Nik to approach this conversation first and foremost, as if he's reading me my design, my patterns, helping me connect with my tools.

    Uh, I wanted you to hear the real work, not just generally what the work is or conceptually what the work is. And so some of this conversation may be very, very specific to me and my. That's just part of the way I would like to handle the details of this. But also we're gonna take time to step back from some of those conversations or some of those deeper points to make some comparisons or references to other types so that you have both the inside look at the micro of my design, but also the macro of how this fits into broader design and wisdom.

    So with all of that said, let me briefly introduce you to this stellar human being. Yes, the pun is intended. Nik McCrae, having been introduced to the world of emotional and energetic re-patterning as a child, Nik McCrae has been studying and practicing in the esoteric arts all of his life with 10 plus years working professionally as a mentor of astrology and human design, he specializes in shadow work integration and esoteric tool building practices using the language of metaphors, vibrational resonance, and a unique tool forging process.

    Nik reveals how fundamental principles and practices can be refined into specialized patterns that apply to our lives directly. Every day. That's why he is here. And that's the conversation I wanted to get into. So for those of you that are new to the show, do me a favor, hit that subscribe button so you never miss a future episode.

    And now let's go on this walk with Nik and what's my design? Nik, how are you doing man?

    [00:06:47] Nik: It’s good, man. I'm doing great. And it's nice to see you.

    [00:06:49] Luke: Good to be here in this space. Why don't we start with, uh, sharing, with everybody, tuning in to, to see us go through this a little bit about the, the, the basics of even my design and what are some of the things that, that you have read for me, that you see in, in my charts and in who I am as it were.

    Uh, and then we'll use that as maybe the beginning point and let's see where we go.

    [00:07:13] Nik: Sounds good. All right, well, before we jump in specifically to things that have to do with your chart, I just wanna give a little bit of a background on the system. Great. Um, based on a little bit of what you've already talked about that you maybe didn't fully believe, fully didn't understand what you were gonna get out of it, especially because when we look at something like astrology, it's taken on, um, kind of a bias over the years.

    You know, what's your sign when you're, when you're meeting people and stuff, and while there is validity to that being raised, you know, with these kind of esoteric arts or spiritual practices, my whole life, what I had to distinguish at a really early age was how to be a skeptic without being in denial.

    Uh, in other words, how do you test these sort of esoteric arts in your own life and your own experience to see the results that prove themselves? So where I wanted to first start with all of this is that one of the great things lately about people being introduced to human design is they don't realize it's based completely on astrology.

    So what I've found is that people are starting to become more open to looking at these deeper parts of themselves because they're more comfortable with this more structured looking chart and system. In other words, how can I define my design rather than the ambiguous character traits? The astrology kind of made novel.

    So where I took this process was by understanding that we're all part of the celestial clockwork, as I like to say. The planets are all moving around and they're all inter uh, interacting with us through the neutrino stream, through vibrational fields and, and magnetism and energetics. And we being electrical beings, sending out waves and, and running on energy, um, are interacting with that field not only in, in what's going on in the sky, but in what's going on with one another.

    So when we start to look at how that resonance works individually, and we start to funnel it through things like human design, then we can start to apply it in a kind of a more fundamental way. That has nothing to do with if you believe in this system or that system, but in a translation of what is inherent to us and and how that can interact with one another.

    So your design in particular is what we call in human design, a splenic manifestor. So your OR type is out of a manifestor and your authority is governed by the splenic center. We could also go over to your astrology and say that your a Leo's son in the 10th house with a moon in Sagittarius and a rising in Libra.

    Now you could Google all sorts of stuff about that, and you'll get a ton of information as to what that all means. But what I've been finding to be most beneficial in working with friends and clients and family members, and especially with my own designs over the years, is not how we fit into our design, but how does our design help us navigate our own experience more innately, more instinctually. The more you start to learn about the nuances of these systems and when you have someone to help you translate that into actual experiences of your life, that's when we can start to see how to apply these things in a practical way that has nothing to do just with the belief of it, but has everything to do with the application of it.

    [00:10:28] Luke: That’s something that I wanted to, to, to draw out for everybody that I have. The, the difference in orientation you just described of how is it that this design supports me in understanding the way I relate to and navigate life is opposed to me trying to fit into some prescribed label, uh, is a big difference, right?

    Because very often we receive this information, it's like, oh, well, am I supposed to fit this way? Am I supposed to be more like this? Am I supposed to be this right? And then there's the parts that don't seem to match up, so it's like, well, maybe it's not quite there. You and, and your approach. And even just the [00:11:00] way that I've related to our conversations and just the, the, the information, the wisdom that's here has been much more of how do I get to use this in such a way as I get to apply it into my life in the ways that feel unique and aligned and of essence to me.

    So I just wanted to, to draw that out. Cause I can, I can confirm that and it's, it's a huge difference in orientation of, of how to approach this.

    [00:11:23] Nik: Okay. So what we're looking at here today then is specifically how this design applies to you and your experience then. So what we're looking at here is if you're working with the ORIC type of a manifestor, your job is innately to create an impact using your.

    And one of the terms I like to use for this is what I refer to as vibrational resonance or vibrational re-patterning. In other words, using the vibrations of my voice, my tone, the specific words I use, and the way that I deliver them, in order to create a resonance within you that you say, yeah, I feel that I relate to that.

    And when you're working with the design type of a manifestor, your entire world revolves around your ability to inform and create this impact. But depending on what your authority is, this is gonna determine when. You should inform and how you could inform, and not that you're adhered to this, uh, system or this style in particular, but because you're a splenic manifestor, if you start trying to inform simply based on how you feel, if you start to inform based on what you're thinking, if you start to inform based on the pressure you're feeling, these are not the natural ways in which you're able to create that impact.

    So what we wanna do is take the broader idea that Luke is here to create an impact with his voice. And we wanna then funnel that through deeper layers of the system, like your strategy, authority, and all these different things so that you can then relate to that, you can apply that to your own experience.

    And then what we're gonna do is translate something like splenic manifestor through the 1648 channel into how does Luke relate to his environ? and how does he impact his environment? This is where we can kind of make this more relevant to you.

    [00:13:10] Luke: Okay. That, that makes a lot of sense. And I know that we're gonna get into this, but I, so for, for, for those tuning in, part of what comes out for me is, as Nik said, is to, to be able to use my voice in a manner that is impactful Right.

    And are ironic as you're tuning into a podcast as we're having this conversation. So we'll leave that as it is. Right? And what part of what you then connected it to is, but when. When to use that voice, when to inform, and this is, I know, like I said, I know we're gonna get into this, but part of what you just said is when I feel, whether it be pressure or, or stress or something that's situational, that feels like, oh, I should, I should put my voice out, or I need to speak to this, or what have you.

    That at times has repeatedly, to me, felt like it was at odds with what I was aligned or [00:14:00] ready for at that moment. And so at times I would do that. I would speak, I would use my voice, I would lean in, but something about it did not feel natural to me. It didn't feel in sync. I didn't realize that that actually was exactly what I would then learn about the way in which I do connect into when, which is, has to do with the, the splenic authority.

    And so let me, I'm gonna pause there and let you kind of pick it up from there. Uh, to, to hear what does that really mean? When should I be informing?

    [00:14:29] Nik: So the Splenic Center is basically our oldest center in the sense that it governs our fight or flight. It's a fear center. It's kind of our immune system, our reptilian brain, as it were.

    So, because this splenic center is rooted to instinct, it means that it's already happened. You've already got your message before you've had a chance to think about it before. You've had a chance to feel your way through it, even before you've had a chance to ask yourself what your gut instinct might.

    And the reason why I'm relating to these particular other forms of acknowledgement in particular is because everyone's authority can be different in the way that they find their when. And that's what creates what we call conditioning, which is when you're surrounded by other people with different or types, different strategies and authorities, and you are trying to do something in the way that you were taught rather than in the way that is right for you.

    So for you, if I ask, do you wanna go to the park with me before I've even finished my sentence? Before I've even fully asked, you already have gotten the instinct you've already got. an inherent yes or no feeling. But what you've been taught by generator parents or people with emotional authorities is to trust your gut and ride your.

    And for you that just simply does not apply. So it can be really liberating to know that by the time you've had a chance to feel it out or trust your gut, you've already lost the instinct. It's already came and gone. Yeah. So for you, I would not say wait 24 hours before you solve this one. I would say when you show up, you'll know the answer.

    [00:16:01] Luke: And just because I want to speak to that.

    But there are those with certain designs that should wait. A period of time, whether whatever the 1224, whatever the, the clock is, right? So that, I just wanna make the point of what we're speaking to for my design, which I want to talk about, and dive into a bit further here, uh, is, is specific to my unique way of doing this or my design.

    And for others, actually, you're better off waiting some period of time to collect information and collect even some of the emotional information and energetic information over that period of time for it to collapse into a path and collapse into a way that you're going to, to move forward. So for me, some of the things that you just mentioned, it's interesting because I didn't understand for a very long time, there were moments where I would get these, like what I would just call, like these intuitive insights, these, these quick hits of, of a read of the situation or what I might wanna do, or, or, or how I wanna respond to something.

    But it was like they were coming from, uh, like a different place and I didn't trust them. , I didn't know that that was actually coming from a place that was actually bypassing a lot of my circuitry, my conditioning, and was giving a more true way of reading what was going on. Because instead, based on the way that I'd been taught and my conditioning, I would lean a lot more into.

    But does that make logical sense? Do I relate this to my experience? And that would pull that, that intuitive hit into my mind. And exactly as you just said, the energy that I was connected to that felt so inspiring and opening and wise would diminish it, would lose it. And then I'm now back only in the mind story of, well, how do I move from here?

    What is that? What is this thought? What is this direction? What is this insight that I have? How does it even make sense? Well, to my mind, it couldn't even make sense because it had already bypassed my mind, and so I had to let go of, or I did end up letting go of like a lot of creativity and intuition and insights because I couldn't rationalize it because again, that's what I had been taught and what I'd been taught and how I'd been conditioned to nobody's fault, just part of life.

    Right. Just to be clear about this, that's part of life. I didn't realize I was being conditioned away from me.

    [00:18:14] Nik: And many of us don't, because lots of the conditioning seems, as you said, logical and practical. And even if we were, just to break it down to numbers, you know, to have 65 plus percent of the world, the ORIC type of some kind of generator, that means those of us that are manifestors, projectors, reflectors, we're all going to be conditioned by the follow your gut, the or the . And so even if we were to just take that broad example, that can apply to many different people, in many ways, you're going to be conditioned no matter what. And I love my mom's quote with this because she said, you know, you treat your kids amazing. You love them unconditionally. They grow up, they gotta go to therapy.

    You treat your kids wrong, you don't take care of them well as kids, they grow up, they gotta go to therapy. So what we learned was that conditioning is inevitable because everyone's trying to figure out how to be themselves in a pool of everybody else. Yeah. So what we can look at with this system is how.

    It's natural for you to think this should be logical. I should wait and feel this one out. And the people around you likely will have to follow one of these strategies or another. This is even something that makes you and I different. We're both manifesters, but you're a splenic manifestor, which means you work on instinct and I'm an emotional manifestor.

    I have to ride my wave and wait until I feel clear to make an now we could relate this to astrology. You're all air and fire. You're meant to move quickly and be invigorated. When I'm double earth, I'm meant to move slow and methodical and practical. So which one of our ways is better?

    Which one of our ways is more, right? It doesn't work that way. We're both operating within the manifestor aura. We're here to create an impact. I have to wait until the right time to make an impact, whereas you have to show up at the right time to make an impact. And we both figure out our own ways of what that looks like in every moment of our life.

    [00:20:06] Luke: Even though we're, we're talking about my design, I'm gonna, I wanna flip this back to, to you for a moment because for that emotional authority, as you just described it, for you, uh, emotional manifestor, right? And I as, as opposed to splenic, um, if you could talk to, to, to, to that a little bit for yourself because, you know, from our conversations, you know, I, I know that getting into touch with really allowing those emotions to clear in certain ways, to be able to find, you know, find that path or find the, the wisdom of where you're headed has not always come.

    And it has not always come natural to be able to sink into that. And so even as somebody around the material, it's something obviously you still need to work to, to move away from, you know, certain things that have tried to shut down to be able to be that open to what is innately who you are. So I was wondering if you could just speak a little bit about what that path has been for you and how you've, uh, even had to grow into or better even sink into that, that part of your design.

    [00:21:00] Nik: Well, I'm gonna start this off when I was really young because as the intro entailed, I've been doing this the better part of my whole life. Um, my mother introduced me to, you know, these esoteric arts when I'm not even 10 years old. And then going through your formative teenage years trying to. Not only resist it because it doesn't matter what your parents are doing as a teenager, it doesn't seem cool, but also trying to see how the results were inevitable.

    So what I learned that was most fundamental and, and many people might be able to apply this, was that my mother had a projector aura, and I had a manifestor aura, a projector aura inherently wants to penetrate and amplify, whereas a manifestor aura wants to push away and repel. It's like a A north and a north magnet, or a north and a south magnet.

    So what I learned was that inherently. The aura of me and my mother was not meshing unless we had an awareness of I have to invite her [00:22:00] in when I feel like I can, because there's the emotional component. She's also a splenic projector, so this is a good example of how she gets the instinct in the moment.

    I have to wait until it comes through. So for me, growing up and trying to apply this after all these years, one of the biggest pieces of wisdom that I've learned is just because you can do something doesn't mean it's the right time to do it. Just because you can reach out and send that text to someone doesn't mean you feel clear about why you're sending that text to someone.

    The words might not even change in the text, but the time that you took to feel clear about it will change the reception of the impact. So for me, I've had to learn that I'm not meant to rush things in any capacity. I'm really truly meant to endure. The riding of the waves and whatever pace that takes because in that process I become more clear and my impacts become more sovereign and they become more easily delivered.

    So just to take a, a really basic example of learning that these two auras had trouble meshing naturally until we had an awareness and then me learning how to facilitate the best use of my design in my own way. These were things that became invaluable to me because then I learned, don't answer that email just cuz it arrived.

    Take your time to feel clear about what you wanna say and it'll always be better received. And this is something that doesn't exist in the gut instinct timeline. So it's really important to remain sovereign in that this might only work for you right now, not the others around you.

    [00:23:46] Luke: Okay, so what the heck is my actual lived experience of being a splenic manifestor really been? Well, let me bring this into how I processed all of this for me and what Nik has taught me about my design. You see, the way that I experience this is that I get these quick flashes of insight that come into my awareness.

    Usually they're very rapid, and if I don't engage with them, they will disappear. And it's actually very difficult to reconnect with those insights the way that they end up popping into my mind. It's almost as if you are driving down the highway and you are flipping around the radio dial, radio stations, and okay, I know not many of you listen to the radio anymore.

    In fact, you probably wouldn't be listening to this podcast if you listen to the radio much more, but stick with me here for the, the analogy you're flipping around the radio and all of a sudden you tune into this really great song, and it's coming in, no static whatsoever is coming in perfectly, but then just a mile down the road, it completely breaks up.

    It disappears, and you can't tune back into it again. That's the way that these, this information and these insights come to me when you have this kind of splenic authority, the way that it appears for me. And so if. It's these flashes of, of insight and intuition, and sometimes they are really clear and at other times they're confusing almost like I'm getting to know something before I need to know it.

    So I don't really have all the context for it. The way that I've honed in on this more is that these insights have more of a feeling to them. So it's not just about maybe what appears in my mind, but there's this feeling of reson. That I get within the whole of my body, and you can think of resonance as that moment that a tuning fork hits its perfect pitch.

    You can feel the harmony and the congruency within that note that it's tuned into. Well, I can feel that resonance. It's like everything in my body is attuned to the same frequency of what it is that I'm connecting to, that I'm receiving at that particular moment. But these aren't just hunches though.

    I've had to learn how to lean into these, how to trust them, particularly when it comes to decisions and timing. So lemme give you a few examples. About, probably about two years ago, maybe not quite, that I had received an invitation to be part of a really unique opportunity that was bringing together a series of business leaders, these innovators and investors all together.

    And they were meeting because they wanted to start to focus on how can we use all the knowledge and resources in this room to start solving real world problems that can really have an impact on society? And everything about this opportunity was, is is completely aligned to who I am and the way that I am now approaching my own business and and services.

    And yet they're kept this recurring flash of insight that just kept coming back of, not this, not now, it's not. And that red flag message didn't jive with anything that I was seeing, nor all the research that I'd been doing into the groups and the people that were gonna be involved with this particular event, this experience.

    And while it turned out that the event was a complete disaster, it wasn't what it seemed to be. It was a huge waste of time for everybody involved. And I would've actually been out quite a bit of money had I been involved with this particular group in this particular series. And so it saved me a tremendous amount of, of time, a lot of energy, and certainly, uh, quite a bit of resources and money that would've been otherwise laid out as part of this.

    Even though I didn't understand the context of where I was getting that insight, it was one of those things that I started to lean into and say, I'm gonna follow this, as opposed to following the direction that my brain says, well, this, it makes sense. It's logical, it's rational. You should move forward with this.

    And instead, I trusted. This insight, this spark, because of the things I had been working on with Nik, as well as through some other, other work I've been doing. Now at other times, I've come in to start to tune in to know that if something isn't happening, if something feels like maybe I need to push it along to meet my timelines, then I really need to pay attention because very often I'm actually receiving this message of not.

    Be patient, you'll know, and I'm gonna, you know, our, our minds. Once we get focused on where it is that we wanna be and we start setting any expectations, we start pushing ahead and you start tuning out some of these other subtle messages that are actually there. And yet those messages are there. And heck, I'm experiencing this, or actually right now as I record this with an event, yet again, another event that I'm supposed to be at.

    But something, it's not that the event feels wrong, it's that something feels off about the timing. And so I'm listening, there's something about that connection that is missing at the moment. And so I am patiently waiting to receive a clear nudge as to do I attend or do I not attend? Is there something else that I'm supposed to make myself available for that's gonna happen at the same time?

    We start to receive these nudges, or I do from this design standpoint, and I'm learning how to begin to interpret them, how to work with them and how to trust them. Now sometimes, as I said, these messages are really, really very subtle. Other times they are like blaring sirens and like, okay, I got it.

    I see it. There've been some funny moments along the way of those types of things, but I've been amazed at what these flashes of insights have connected me to in the way of new relationships, even partnerships as well as what they've helped me avoid. Like what I've mentioned just, just a moment ago.

    And so I had to learn and still am learning how to work with my design to be in partnership with it in a way that allows it to just flow more effortlessly in who I am and how I interact with life. You know, as Nik likes to talk about, we aren't limited or defined by our design. Our design is something instead to be worked with, to be partnered with, to use it in ways that will expand you and that feel very natural to who you really are.

    Now. Everything I've described about even just this one element in relation to my design and that I'm learning how to work with, it's just that it's related to me, it's related to my design. And Nik has just, you know, a little while ago, described how some things are quite different for him, even though there's a lot of parallels in our supposed, you know, design charts as it were.

    There's a lot of things that are quite different for him, and he went into some of that, you know, I've had some clients that I've worked with who have also sat down with sessions for Nik. For, as an example, need to experience the whole emotional range of a given experience for them to settle back in and understand, ah, this is what I was like, this was all the data points from the low point to the midpoint to the high point and back down again.

    They were almost like going on this wave, this journey to collect all of that data within their experience within themselves so that they could then say, ah, here's the part that feels right. When I was at this point of the curve, that's when I can recognize there was a certain piece, there was a certain fulfillment, there was a certain connection that was occurring there, and that's where I wanna be able to come from and how I'm gonna move forward.

    So, All of these design elements, there are so many different variables that are involved that we all have our own unique design. We all have different ways of doing this. So again, while this episode has, I'm using a lot of my design and having Nik use a lot of my design to use this as context to explain things in more detail.

    Know that it's just that this is related to my design. And I would strongly encourage you to learn more about your human design, either with Nik or another. Certainly you can find his information here in the show notes, but don't just approach it as novelty is some fun information for you, like it was a Buzzfeed quiz or something like that.

    Instead, lean into a bit and see how it can help bring more ease or congruency to the way that you are navigating and interacting with the experiences within your own life. So with that, let's jump back in with Nik and let's see how much further we go.

    Thank you for that way that you walked through that. Because now let me ask you a question related to, to me and my design, cuz this is something that is, that I've wrestled with through, you know, through my entire journey. , it feels like is what you, the distinction you just made. Just because you can doesn't mean it's the right time.

    And so that's been uh, something I continue to wrestle with at times, which is that I may get that instinctual hit, that instinctual knowing of what something can be, of the way something could come together. And then for me, I've struggled with knowing, okay, I can see it, but does that mean I do that now?

    And so I was wondering if you could shed a little bit of light and you know, in my own design of how do I navigate, What I can see or what I've in connected to versus knowing when does it actually, when when does it, when is it, is it meant to move forward?

    [00:32:34] Nik: Well, this is where it gets a little bit more specific to you because now that I start talking about how you find your, when it's not gonna apply to everyone the same anymore.

    And this is something I just wanna give is a quick disclaimer before I go into how you find your, when that even though there might be other splenic manifestors on this call that have a Leos son and a sage moon and a Libra rising, I'm going to be framing this in the context of Luke. And Luke's life.

    The reason being that I wanna really be able to show how we can apply this to your experience directly and then expand it to maybe start to apply in a more broad term of how I translated your charts to get this. When. So with a manifestor, your strategy is to inform, you have to tell people that this is your trajectory, and they either get to get on board with that, the North and south magnet, or they get outta the way that's the north and north magnet.

    Now, for you, since it's always based in what is something that is going to be inherently healthy for you, right? We're following your immune system, you're following those inherent yeses. Um, what you wanna be kind of doing is waiting for that moment when the words come out of your mouth. Before you've had to think them.

    And when we start looking at the when in terms of informing instead of action, this is also gonna help strip away some conditioning. Yeah. If you were meant to respond like a generator aura, then we would be putting this a lot more based on action. But because your strategies to inform, you might already be conditioned to think that the, when is an.

    Not that the when is an initiation or that the when is a word, or that the when is an informing of where you're at. So in order for you to know when is the right time, you have to inform people when you feel clear or when you feel sure. But where you can become masterful in this is knowing that you're always going to be thinking, how is this going to affect my reputation, my ability to be seen, my ability to be known?

    And that's going to instinctually influence because you're a Leo and because when you're born under the star of Leo, you're here to show off excellence. You're here to show off pride. And so what you're going to be doing is you're going to find moments when you feel the most shiny, when you feel the most bright, and when you feel the most like yourself.

    That's when I want to jump on that. Whereas if there's a moment [00:35:00] where you've informed of what you're planning on doing and you haven't found an initiative to match that you haven't found something that you feel will give you that sense of trajectory, this could be an information that's meant to impact and get other people moving.

    So this is also where I wanna bring this to a fundamental manifestors are here to inform, to get things moving. The generators then go about generating, they respond and they start to create this production. The projectors then guide this process. And make sure everything moves streamlined and the reflectors reflect how this process is actually going in the moment.

    So when we talk about your, when you're the only one who knows when is the right time to act, but when is the right time to inform, can indicate when is the right time to act. Because once you've informed and that impact has been made, now you can choose how to follow that impact. It's like you fire a, a trail through the forest and then you choose to follow it rather than just bushwhacking until you find a path.

    [00:36:04] Luke: Okay. That makes a tremendous amount of sense. I wanna draw a couple of, of different distinctions then in here. Uh, you know, thinking of when, for me, speaking of, of my design specifically as part of that informing and initiation, but not action. uh, is a clear delineation for me. I wanna come back to that.

    Not action though, again in a moment for me then when that action. Feels right. It is that one of the phrases you used was, when I feel most like myself, like when I'm pairing that with an initiative, when I'm pairing that with a project, and I've got e examples of, of that unfolding in my life right now, where I've been invited into or, or through this, the, this dance with opportunity.

    I've been invited into a lot of things over the last couple of years, and I have danced, I've informed, but I have not felt that alignment, uh, that feeling like this is me feeling like myself to lean into some of those initiatives any further than I did. And now I can feel where that's changing. Like I can feel the things that are lining up for me right now that they're like, wow, like this.

    This feels just authentically who I am, where I'm at in my life right now. The way that I would love to interact with, with people and with business and things like that. And it's. Like the steps are taking care of themselves. It's just a, it's like a, a foregone conclusion of, oh, that, of course, that's the next two steps.

    Take those two steps. Oh, of course. Those are the next two steps after that. And so it's flowing in a much more, flows the right word. Cause it's a very fluid way of, of how this is unfolding right now. Um, what I wanted to come back to was the, that difference between the when of initiation versus not taking action.

    Because again, in my conditioning, not necessarily my design, in my conditioning, I have been oriented towards doing. oriented towards being the one to take the action. And that's where I developed a lot of [00:38:00] strength in that. Like I, it developed as a talent to be able to move things forward, me as the person moving 'em forward, not to inspire or inform things to move forward.

    And so I would do that, but over a period of time of doing that with my head down for the, for the most part, for many, many years, that friction of the way I was living versus some things that are more innate to my design of who I am, continued just building and building and building until it wore me out.

    Literally wore me out because it was against the way that I was meant to be operating. Now that's not to say. And then Nik, please jump in on any of this. It's not to say that I never. Yes, I do. I still interact with the world in that way. I do have to get things done and some things I very much enjoy getting done, that I love leaning into, but it's now from a very different place.

    It's from following this, this feeling of when I, I feel like I'm most myself. It when it feels like it is in that, that alignment with what the intuition is. And then it just seems to be like, yeah, of course I'll do this. And it, it's, it. Like, it's no effort. Same thing. I've got another project going on right now that I'm doing some things that I swore like I don't ever, I used, I did this for years.

    I did all the grunt work, I did the programming, I did the pages, I did like all these things in the back end of a business, you just gotta get done, I swore I would like, any way I can find, uh, somebody else to do these, I'm happily gonna pay 'em. I'm doing this stuff like in my sleep right now, like, oh yeah, gladly, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, done, boom, boom, boom, boom, done.

    The energy around it is so different. But I'm also not spending my next seven months doing it that way. I'm doing it for a period of time because of the alignment that I happen to feel around it. I wanna

    [00:39:39] Nik: take it to a broader scope because we're really, like every word I'm saying, I'm synthesizing, right?

    I'm synthesizing your whole charts, everything we've talked about. But what we're looking at here too is that the manifestor or type, actually any org type that doesn't have a sacral. So generators, whether you're a manifesting generator or a generator, means you have definition in your sac. Via some sort of channel.

    If you don't have definition in your Sacl center, you're automatically a reflector, a manifestor, or a projector. So where this applies to you, because manifestors get huge, uh, huge bursts of energy that are short-lived, we're conditioned to be the ultimate generators because we have all this impact. We don't rely on other designs to create initiative.

    Right. We inform and we create that, but then we're conditioned to use all this energy and follow up on this momentum. Yeah. And I can't be lazy and I can't let everyone do it for me. I have to be independent. You know, there's all of these factors that play into this. And then as you said, you crash. Even generators that don't follow the in or the.

    Initiative of do I have the energy to see this through today will inevitably crash. So what we're looking at is a society built on competition rather than a society built on authenticity. Where you're working within your own design. You know, you can get these done a lot better if you do them based on your own initiative.

    And if there's things that are not following your own initiative like we talked about, then you will invite or inform other people to, to do these things with you, not for you. This is another thing we need to learn is that all humans are built on a tribal circuitry. That means that all of us are meant to complete one another as a collective.

    So we inherently need one another to complete our designs so that we can collaborate and if we're all doing our own role. You know, inherent to our design and what feels right for us, then all of society will flow much more easily. It's just we're trying to de-condition and these systems are not absolute.

    So what we also wanna look at here is, Luke, you've done all of the the generator conditioning work and now you've seen the other side where you can even get other people to do this for you. But now you're seeing there's an equilibrium that when there's fulfillment, when you're feeling at peace with your work, then you can do it much more easily.

    Whereas if there's something forced and you've gotta grind this energy out, and this is something you have to live up to, cuz this is how everyone else is doing it, it will inevitably sap you. So some people are meant to really grind that out and some people are not. And this isn't just based on your design, but this is largely based on how you respond to it and how you respond to the work that comes

    [00:42:22] Luke: your way.

    Say a little bit more about that, that that how I respond.

    [00:42:26] Nik: We're all receiving this sensory information, right? And so this is where we, it comes down to that we're all influencing each other via these waves, right? Our brain is putting out these waves. We're, we're engaging with those each, with each other.

    These are largely unconscious. The same thing goes for how we're interacting with our day-to-day life. We like to think everything we do is conscious, but we would be extremely, if everything that we did was conscious. There's a lot of things that are happening in the unconscious. So this is how we're responding to the unique stimuli and nuances of our life, of our own feelings, of our thoughts, of our experiences.

    When I say how we respond to our design, that's based on the fact we know it, you know? , that you have a splenic authority, you know these certain things. So now you're automatically like, Hey, how do I apply to that? How does that apply to me? You're starting to find real time example. Of what that looks like, real experiences of what that feels like.

    And that's when you can start to respond to it. So here's an example that I would have in my own life of having to wait, you know, having to ride this emotional wave before I inform. Um, so what I would do is I would get a message of someone saying, do you want to go out for dinner tomorrow? And then my immediate, you know, conditioning would be, oh, I should respond yes or no.

    But then my response to the knowledge that I have this wave is like, all right, well, I don't feel totally clear. If I felt clear already, I would respond, I would answer, but because I don't feel clear right now, I'm gonna give myself a minute to, to ride this one out Now. The reason why this is important is because I might not know why it's a yes or a no yet, and I might have to give myself some time for more information to reveal itself.

    It's not that I don't know. It's not that I don't want to go, it's not that I can't trust my intuition. It's not the waves gonna take forever. These are all things we convince ourself are are setbacks. Whereas I say, you know, I don't quite feel ready to answer this text yet. So I wait a little while.

    I continue to do my own thing, and then something else comes up where it's like, Hey, we got something come up. Can you please watch our dog on this night? And you're like, wow. I'm glad I didn't respond to that prematurely, because instead I responded to my knowledge of that this is the way I should maybe go about this.

    Now this is a lot harder when there's a lot of emotional buildup around something. You know, when you're going through a, a job change, when there's a relationship, when there's a big emotional experience, this isn't so cut and dry as do you want to go out for dinner and waiting for it. So one of the other things I want to emphasize in terms of this responding to your design is not letting stress dictate your design.

    This is so, so crucial because it doesn't matter how much therapy you do or how much of your design, you know, this is something that can override everything is letting stress and conditioning

    [00:45:13] Luke: I'm so glad that you landed it there too, because that feeling of both stress and urgency, right, is something that I know in, in some of the ways that I've received some of those messages and I've started to work with paying much more attention and really, really truly tuning in to what is that, that splenic authority, that intuition, whatever we wanna label it as that, that other knowing that just pops in to be able to work and lean into that, work with that in a different way because there are many times, You know, there's a, a situation, a decision maybe that's needed, and I can feel the way in which that urgency is beginning to build.

    And it's like, oh, I need to make a call here. I need to do this. And yet I can tell I'm not clear and that whatever I'm receiving is not yet there. And so I can feel that resistance, like, oh, but I really need to answer. But, but the part, the other part of me is going, dude, you can't answer yet. I don't know which way to direct you.

    And so I've gotta go through that process with more patience and consciousness and awareness, because to your point, I'm now working with, with, and within my design, I'm responding to it, uh, building relationship with it in a manner that is, was originally foreign to me and now feels like a second home to me.

    Um, it's, it's in a deeper alignment. And so I've had quite a few experiences where the only real. You know, kind of feel for a situation or knowing for a situation that would pop in was, you know, don't make a decision. Okay. Could you gimme a little more than that? Like I need to at least explain why I'm not giving somebody a decision on something

    And in some instances it was like business clients and it was like travel that that impacted those relationships and all sorts of like things that had a lot of moving parts. I don't know. Just wait. Just wait, like that's all you're gonna give me is just wait. All right. I'm gonna play along. And in a few instances, one in particular that just pops into my head.

    Now, it turns out the invitation that I didn't accept would've put me in a position where, uh, the group that I was being invited into an opportunity I was being invited, invited into, was less than, uh, significantly less than honest than what, what had been presented. And had I kind of rushed in or given into the urgency of it or the stress of, you need to make this decision.

    And I literally made the decision at the latest possible moment in relation to what was going on. And then I didn't even know the, I didn't even know what was going on until after the, the event and, and what meetings had to occur occurred. And then I find out after the fact from somebody like, you have no idea how much trouble you saved yourself.

    Like this was a disaster. And I'm like, I wish I'd even been able to say that to you ahead of time. Cause I had no idea. But it's, it's learning to work with what you're just saying. It's a learning to work with that and the impact of stress and urgency is huge to not give into that in the face of our design.

    [00:48:11] Nik: It's major. And, and it's funny how we always wanna find a, a signer sign. You know, we're like, we get the sign. But also this is something we can relate to the difference again between emotional and splenic. You didn't know why you were getting an awareness that I'm not ready. You weren't necessarily even getting a yes or a no, you weren't even getting, you know why.

    It could be yes or no. You just knew that There's not a settled feeling in my nerves about this. That there's something on edge. Your, your immune system, your fight or flight, your whole. New. There was a feeling, but there was no information to correlate to it yet. So you were rooted in your instinct instinctually?

    I don't, I don't, I'm not getting an answer on this one yet. Whereas you look at, for someone like an emotional authority probably would've went more something like this, oh, this is a really great opportunity. I really can't pass this up. Oh, this is actually a terrible opportunity. I don't know if I can commit to this.

    And eventually you would've gotten to the point where it's like, you know, I just really don't, don't wanna do this one, and then you receive all that, that it wasn't the right thing to do. So where I wanna take this down to as far as a sign, or sign is also your body awareness. one of the biggest things that separates us from not the, not only our design, but even just being able to, to have faith and move through life in a more relaxed manner.

    Um, is this feeling that a Well, we need to know, like we always need to have it figured out. Like that's not really something that we can, um, totally rely on, I guess you could say, but also that all of the environmental factors are to take us out of our body, to take us out of the feeling of discomfort.

    And our body shows us discomfort in many different ways for many different reasons. And when we start to just identify everything as an anxious feeling or everything is uncomfortable, or everything as X, Y, Z, what we're doing is we're limiting our own awareness. We're limiting our awarenesses to signs that feel good instead of indicators that don't feel clear.

    So another thing I really wanted to bring this down to in terms of signing or signs, and if you're following your design and if this is the right thing for you and how this should feel, is you need to be rooted in your body for any of this to work. Um, because when you're rooted in your body, you can get a visceral sensation of pressure.

    You can get a visceral sensation of peace, a visceral sensation of yes or no. And that is different for everybody. And that's where I like to create the tool forging process, so that we can take your sensory experience of your tools, designs, awarenesses, and you can relate back to those rather than, oh, what did Nik say about splenic?

    You know what it feels. When you haven't got a yes, you know what it feels like when things aren't connected to the body. You know what it feels like when you're caught in someone else's wave and you need to be alone, even from a partner or a child or someone you're deeply connected with. Sometimes that going and taking a walk and getting out of that tribal definition will help significantly and you getting back in your body and reconnecting with the sensory experience of your awareness, the sensory experience of your design.

    [00:51:18] Luke: So, perfect. In the way that this kind of sets up two other things I wanted to bring into this conversation because, uh, let me start with this one. Part of what this has also done and part of the way is that you, you've have supported me, is in building my awareness of not only my design, but the dynamics of me in relation to.

    My wife to my children. And so there have been times where, uh, understanding that dynamic really helped me start to see through what was more of the learned behavior and conditioning that I had. So, to be specific, a little bit more specific, uh, you know, there have been at times just things that were unfolding in the normal course of, of family life.

    And I needed to recognize that. Part of the way that I felt like I needed to show up was, you know, me, man, need to provide, need to protect, need to step in, need to fix, right? And so that part of me was stepping in even though at times it didn't feel congruent or it didn't feel like myself, it didn't feel like I was interacting in a way that.

    Really helping anything. And it's not to say I was even doing anything negative, it just wasn't helping. It just wasn't the right way to interact for this particular situation. Or maybe not the best way. Let me, I don't like using right and wrong. It wasn't the best way for me to interact. And what you helped me begin to see, and my wife and my chil, you know, children in relation to what was going on for either of them, helped me to see, well, this is what could be another way for you to show up in this situation that's more innate to your design.

    And then that allows your wife's design to kick in, that allows your son's design to kick in your daughter's what and whatnot. And then all of a sudden it was like, oh look. Things are getting easier for everybody it's getting more fluid because we could then, you know, kind of hold space in such a manner that they could just be who they needed to be.

    And now the dynamics started to work themselves out. And so you, I don't know if you wanna speak a little bit to understanding those dynamics, whether it's family, relationship or otherwise, but to me it like gave me permission to stay true to me. But understand not just now, that's not just a platitudinal saying it was, here's what that means to you and your design so you can see it, feel it, taste it, touch it, and here's what's true for the others that are involved.

    And so if you would kind of get out of the way and step into what's more innately you, you'll get out of their way so they can be more innately them. That was a moment where everything we'd spoken about went from being something that. Was starting to help me like the Slen authority and everything else, all of that was absolutely helping me.

    But this just like exploded the reality of wow, like I can, I can see every element of this in play and even beyond myself.

    [00:54:06] Nik: Yeah. Well, here's what we're seeing when we start to bring awareness into emotional dynamics, and I call them emotional dynamics, rather than referring directly to the design because this becomes a little more innately human than just the designs and what you're talking about.

    When I start following what feels most correct for me, It creates a template for others in my family to do the same. Now we were to relate that to your astrology, you're, you're a combination of what we call fixed and mutable. You know, Leo is a fixed, solid sign where you've got sage and Gemini influences.

    These are very flexible. So you get yourself caught between being the center that everything orbits around and trying to be flexible. And that's where I think it was probably really powerful you to realize the middle ground there. When I'm fixed in my design and when I really like trust that this is how I need to operate, then other people aren't feeling so impacted by that fixed nature and I don't have to, uh, you know, be adapted so much.

    And when you set that template, Then everyone else starts to feel like that pressure is gone. The conditioning is not being as affected, and you make an impact. It doesn't matter if you say something or if you say nothing, it doesn't matter if you're entering the room or leaving the room. You're going to be making an impact that is just a part of your design.

    So also, you were very, very conscious of your impact now, and you're thinking, how can I live more true to this design and their design and their design so that my impact is peaceful and not angry, or that my impact is guiding and not imposing? And what we're also looking in this, I just wanna say this as a, a kind of a general theme as well.

    We're coming into a generation of therapy, you know, uh, we think about like my grandparents' generation homesteading, and in the war. And then we've got my parents' generation kind of getting established. You know, we're going through sixties, seventies, eighties. Now we're in an age where people are really becoming more emotionally aware, more emotionally available.

    Things that have been held for so long in family and societal dynamics are now in a position to be healed. So not only are you seeing how you living your truth can then affect your family to live their truth. You even pursuing and creating a template for these things, for your family, for others, for yourself, is a totally new paradigm.

    This has not been anywhere near as mainstream as it is. So also, by you embracing this is a part of what can help everyone move forward, it does. And that's where I wanna bring a lot of the power back to, is that these tools and systems are really just permission. For you to be able to heal and be emotionally available and, and be more honest and aware with one another, and that, that doesn't require any spirituality or any systems.

    That is awareness and that awareness is invaluable. I

    [00:56:52] Luke: appreciate you putting it that way because that's what I have found so helpful about any of these types of tools and processes and charge and everything else, is the focus on the awareness of what it builds, right? So whether you believe in all this stuff beyond it and all the energy work and everything else doesn't really matter.

    Okay? it's approach it for what's the information and insight and awareness that it's providing to you, and then go try it out, experiment with it, see if it works, see if it's in alignment, see if it feels good, see if it, see if you know, a month from now you have a result that allows you to go, wow, okay, , there's something, there's something to this.

    And that's the way that I approached it, right? Because as, as I said, I'll, I, you know this, I admitted I. I didn't know whether, what to believe in with any of this. This was so far afield for me, but then again, almost all of my last five, six years have been far afield for, for me, constantly pushing into a new, a new realm.

    And, uh, but I, I approach it with that perspective of. There's really nothing to lose for me to expose myself to this type of material and input. Maybe I will gain, you know, different awareness out of it. And then what do those awarenesses do? How do they translate into the way that my life looks and feels and is unfolding?

    Uh, and that's where this has, has just taken root in, in a completely different way.

    [00:58:14] Nik: I'm glad, and I like how accessible these things are becoming in the sense that like you. Um, you don't know what to believe in, and I always call myself like the eternal skeptic, right? Like, I've been doing this professionally now 10, almost 12 years, and it is yet to prove itself wrong to me.

    And that, that is what really seals the deal is if I've read hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of charts and connected with hundreds of people over the years, especially at a fairly young age, and I have yet to have the system prove itself wrong, to me that means that my own skepticism is not on the system.

    It's on myself and my ability to apply these things because people that are open-minded and really wanna grow, they don't let skepticism stop them. Skepticism is an experiment. Skepticism is a challenge, right? Let's see the results of this thing, even though I might have a bias towards so that's what I really love about this, is that we can really start to see that this is something that is inherent and the more that we relate to that inherence, the easier it is to access.

    [00:59:19] Luke: Yeah. So now I wanna come back to the, the kind of that second part that you had alluded to before I said I wanted to come back to, which is around, uh, the tools kind of process of, of what you've been working on. And I will say, you certainly can say more, but from my perspective and, and from the conversations we've had, the way you approach this is, uh, much more unique.

    Than what I have seen out there in, in the field of people connected to human design and some of these types of esoteric, esoteric arts is that you have found ways of really being able to ground all of these insights and awarenesses into some really kind of practical tools. So maybe first, let me put you, put you on [01:00:00] the spot of what's a tool in the way that you mean it, uh, because I think that's, that's kind of important for the way that we are gonna navigate the rest of this conversation.

    [01:00:08] Nik: Sure. I think this is a good segue from the eternal skeptic because one of the other things that I've grappled with in my life, especially growing up around this, especially like up in Northern Alberta and the Arctic in Canada, um, is the accessibility to. For people that aren't super comfortable with the traditional spiritual template of things, with the emotional approach, the energy approach, um, you know, with any of these sort of religious or spiritual approaches, there's a lot of people that weren't open to that.

    They want things to be logical, practical, scientific. They want things to have results, not just an emotional impact. And so this is where I started to see in my own life how I was rebelling against spiritual practices and yet using them successfully. So I was thinking like, there's gotta be a translation here.

    This is my own stubbornness or my own abstinence. So where I started to look at this was, all right, I've been doing this for 10 years, but in some way I haven't quite solidified how to take it past a chart. I've done a lot of work with people. I've had a lot of great feedback, and I've had a lot of returns.

    I've taught people these classes and all these things, but what was missing for me was the skeptical application. I know that sounds weird, but this is what it really comes down to. How do I translate these systems that people might not even believe in, into something practical that they can apply to the context of their life directly, not just.

    Listen to sad music if you're feeling sad, but really getting down to what is happening in your experience and how I can funnel these tools through your charts and relay them to you in a way that you can apply it right away instantly. And I call this the esoteric tool forging process. In other words, esoteric only understood by a select few.

    And then this tool something that you can apply to achieve a task or or to get something done or to help you achieve your work in some way. The tools are meant to make the work easier, but the tools are not the thing facilitating the work. So what we're looking at here is when you approach me to work with these charts and to work with these tools, what I want to ultimately do is be translator.

    Because it doesn't matter if we're using any of the charts or none of the charts, what we're ultimately doing is I'm going to use the context of your life. Funneled through the awarenesses I have based on your designs or what we've talked about prior to take kind of a, a fundamental tool or practice that I've seen successfully used throughout my life or someone else's.

    And apply this directly to you in a way that you can play with it. You can make it interactive, you can see how it works with other people in your life, and then you can come back to me and show me how you've changed it. So ultimately what we're doing here is I'm not providing you with the tool to make your life easier.

    I'm providing a space to help translate. These kind of celestial patterns into something that relates to your life and then make it your own so you can take ownership of that and apply it directly. Because once you can take ownership of something, it's not just some foreign thing you're trying to apply to your life anymore.

    You're not trying to cram yourself into the mantras and breathing. You're not trying to cram yourself into the manifestor in the Leo. I'm saying based on what I'm seeing, this is a tool that I think might work for you. And once you take this tool and work with it, you'll know what it's for. Just because we've created a knife doesn't determine what the application of it is.

    You might use your knife in a million different ways than I do, and that's the fundamental esoteric tool building process. Taking a concept that's broad, funneling it through your designs, applying it to you in a way that it can be made uniquely,

    [01:03:56] Luke: your. . So I'm gonna ask everybody to kind of bear with a little bit of this conversation because I want to go back and step into the way that some of this unfolded.

    My model one last conversations with Nik on this, uh, privately part of something that Nik, you had shared with me, for everybody that Nik shared with me was that part of who I am design wise are these fire, fire type E elements. Right? And Nik had used this metaphor for me that stuck with me and I had to come back and, and have further conversation with him on, was that very often I'm this, this fire, this flame, and I would attach myself to a torch, meaning I didn't have something to ground the energy of what it was that I was bringing or excited about or passionate about with whatever was unfolding here.

    And what Nik you helped me to begin to understand was that, because I would view it as. This fire reaching out to then attached to a torch to ground it. Very often what would happen is that I was kind of spreading that fire around in a lot of different directions and I was actually taking on the form that was somebody else's design I was taking it on to be in their circumstances as opposed to, what you helped me see was to, to think of it more and I'm not sure if we use this analogy or something that, that I came up with afterwards.

    Was to be more of that lighthouse, so that central flame, right? And then people coming in and lighting off the central flame, but I'm no longer going out to others, they're coming to me. And that helped me begin to just visualize the way that it worked for my energy and my design in a completely different way and helped me see a pattern through metaphor that I, I sort of felt and sort of knew, but I didn't have the way of kind of holding onto it to really, truly, genuinely, oh, that's it.

    That's the thing, right? And so it helped me see that because that then led to this other conversation because I was then struggling with, even if [01:06:00] I am this, How do I know? Like where does it ground, how do I get to, you know, contribute to something? And it led to this other conversation we'll share in a moment.

    [01:06:10] Nik: So with that one too, it really does come back down to the design of, you know, you are this 10th house Leo with the channel of the Alpha and all of these different things that I can relate to your design. But how I translated that was it's important for you to be able to connect and to make a contribution based on your reputation, but not at the cost of your own fire or fulfillment.

    Basically, where I was coming to with this is just because you have the ability to contribute your flame to anything doesn't mean that it's necessarily healthy to seek out what you want to contribute your flame too. And that's where we came back to the lighthouse. You create a. People are already aware of your light.

    They're already aware of your impact. You've got your reputation, you've got your success, you've got your communities, you've got all these things. So allowing them to come towards you again, you inform and they respond. It helps keep that fire central and it helps it to continue to be facilitated because every single person that takes a bit of that flame can then guide the way and spread that flame that you don't have to actively pursue.

    So one of the biggest things about this was, you know, the deepest level of your contribution is by just simply being in your own space and illuminating that flame for others to take it as they need, rather than you seeking out places to apply this flame to and never really having a way for people to find you and for you to find your center and to keep that fire blazing brighter and brighter every day without having little bits of it spread out.

    [01:07:40] Luke: Part of what you then brought me into was helping me begin to understand. When I was reaching out versus when I was staying as more of that central source, uh, that, that radiant source. And I forget the exact question that you asked me, um, but it had something to do with, if you were to [01:08:00] put, I think, I'm trying to remember if it was specifically around a, a word cuz you then gave me the ability to split it into what felt like a spectrum.

    And that spectrum became to recognize when you're contributing versus when you are in fulfillment. And I believe because I kept using those words fulfillment and contribution that you had asked me to define contribution. And as soon as I did, I gave you, uh, what I believe was a, probably a pretty heady answer as to what contribution looks like and here's all the tangible things of what contribution looks like.

    And then when you asked me about fulfillment, I was able to just sit and go. Well, it's this feeling like it's this almost this resonance or this vibration that I can feel, and it's something I can be in, in attunement with. Um, and that's when I, you know, I'm literally connected at a different feeling level, but you helped me to take some of the language I was using around this situation, grounded into some specifics and allowed me to parse apart the distinctions of when I'm in contribution versus when I'm in fulfillment.

    And then ultimately for me, it allowed me to understand how to sit in this place of fulfillment and let contribution come from it as opposed to me looking to contribute and feeling fulfilled from that contribution, which was cart before the horse kind of stuff.

    [01:09:25] Nik: But one thing I should mention is, uh, a big part of this esoteric tool building practice is that when we talk about dichotomies, which is a big part of what I use to narrow down these esoteric tools, dichotomy is not always so cut and dry.

    Um, juxtaposing contribution and fulfillment doesn't seem like a traditional form of dichotomy. You would think, well, I mean, they're both good, right? Aren't they? Both? But this is where it becomes very specific that in your case, the subconscious attachment to contribution was very different than the subconscious attachment to fulfillment.

    And because you weren't necessarily aware of the subconscious expectation or attachment or even just temp. Of contribution and fulfillment, you couldn't have even acknowledged that those things were keeping each other from happening. So this is where we call this esoteric tool building process. Again, unique to each person because for every single person, the dichotomies that we're gonna wrangle up are going to be very unique to what each individual person is going through and how they're going through it.

    And that's why it's really hard for me to thoroughly define what an esoteric tool is, because the chaos in it is inherent for every person. It's always going to be

    [01:10:44] Luke: different. In that even though you know, you can't necessarily define specifically like this is exactly what it's going to be because there is so much uniqueness to it and, uh, so much, you know, different ways of which it may ultimately manifest.

    Um, it's something that ultimately created a grounding for me, right? Meaning that it took something that was, at this point, I'll say conceptual, but to Nik what you were just saying was that there was a lot of it that was unconscious that I had not yet articulated. So part of it was me being able to actually articulate it and bring it into awareness first and foremost.

    But after you bring something like that into awareness, It usually has that conceptual kind of feeling to it. So it's very difficult to ground it in a what is the difference this is gonna make to me, uh, in, in any particular specific moment. And so, uh, what happens is, as you go through that, you then start to get this feel for like in any given moment.

    Now, if I've got a decision that's in front of me in terms of am I going to do something, meaning am I going to invest my time, invest my energy into a given project or initiative or decision or whatever, whatever it is, I can now sit back and ask myself some questions of, does this feel like I'm contributing?

    Meaning like I am trying to create a contribution. I am trying to put myself into a situation because I think it will give me something back that, uh, that's gonna help me feel more fulfilled or. Am I first sitting in this place of fulfillment, meaning this energy, this feeling that I get, that that is resonant, that is like, this feels deeply attuned to who you are.

    That to use a phrase before this feels like you, I feel like myself in this moment. And then let the, the work, the contribution, the impact come from that feeling. And that's where I'm finding things very, very different right now, is I'm finding myself in that state and looking for that connection of fulfillment inside of me first and feeling it and then asking, okay, is this initiative something that is in alignment with that, that feels like me in motion as opposed to me needing to do something in order to feel something.

    It's, it's very, very different in that regard. I now am able to use these like reference points. That might be another way of thinking of this particular tool that we created was it created very concrete reference points that I would be able to use in navigating through, uh, some of these types of choices, directions, paths, and whatnot that have been in front of me.

    I'm just kind of curious for any further, uh, impression or interpretation of what that, that means to you, or just how we go about building tools so that others, you know, can get a glimpse of what this could look like for them.

    [01:13:41] Nik: Absolutely. So when we're looking at this example of fulfillment and contribution, the first thing we had to do is root those in a sensory experience.

    So we were going through, we were dialoguing and in just what you were going through in your life, and I jumped on this one. I started to recognize that there was a feeling between contribution and fulfillment, and then I started to ask you questions to kind of provoke what the differences in your experience are.

    Between contribution and fulfillment. So this happens in multiple ways. You started to relay places that you were contributing. You started to relay why you contribute. We started to talk about what fulfillment feels like in the body. Basically what we just started to do, we started to get. Uh, body, mind, soul, and spirit.

    You could say approach to the feeling of fulfillment and contribution. Then I got you to define these words in your own way.

    [01:14:42] Luke: I just wanted to quickly add in here that as my sessions with Nik were unfolding on this topic that we're sharing right now, and actually this very episode that we were recording, there were, and still are, a series of events that are in my life that are unfolding almost exactly corresponding to these understandings.

    Meaning that I've had several opportunities that I could have reached out, meaning me going to them, going to the opportunity, or I could anchor myself like that lighthouse and see which opportunities, which ships were navigating towards me and which ones were navigating away. This has allowed me this, just this tool, this metaphor, this reference point, it's allowed me to get very clear.

    On who really sees me and what I can offer, versus those that want me to fit into their world, into their agendas without as much regard for who and what I am, what my needs and my fulfillment look like for me. In fact, they want my contribution, but they're not so concerned about my fulfillment. Whereas those that were navigating to come towards me to be with me in certain ways, they actually want my fulfillment for me as well because they know that they're gonna naturally receive benefits from that.

    They're gonna naturally, the partnership, the relationships that we form, we want that for each other, and we're all gonna shine as a result of that. That's how they're gonna get the absolute best from me and in a way that I feel absolutely fantastic about. So these tools, these reference points, as well as these practices are all unique to each and every single one of us.

    But I wanted you to be aware of just how practical, as well as insightful they can be. They have relevance on a day in and day out type of basis, and sometimes with some pretty big opportunities, pretty big decisions that we're making, it'll help you see your way through whatever that circumstance happens to be.

    Okay. Let's continue on and then we'll start to wrap up with Nik

    [01:16:46] Nik: and this is where, again, it can be quite ambiguous because everyone's gonna have their own way of describing contribution or fulfillment. So once you had defined those, I said, all right, well, here is an underlying theme. This is how you appear. In far as far as contribution. And we started to talk about how it's a, giving out, how it's a, having to chase, how it's a, you get really inspired for a little while and then it starts to fizzle out and you're like, why doesn't anything ever stick?

    But then we talked about fulfillment and you're like, it's just a being. It's a eminence, it's an ease. And we already started getting such a drastic, um, opposition between the describing words of contribution and the describing words of fulfillment. So once we had determined the difference in feeling, this is where you get stubborn and you're like, oh, okay, well now I, like now, now I know that I just got called out.

    So then we start working with the metaphors. We started working with the flame and this ability to have an outstretched hand, which was all about contribution. I'm going to reach out to people and, and give that flame. And then we said, okay, well what would be the opposite of that outstretched hand? And, and you were like, well, it could be a closed fist, but that doesn't feel like me.

    And then you had that aha, I watched your eyes do it where. Put your hand on your heart and then you glow instead of a, an ethernet connection. You were like wifi and, and it seemed like that was when the piece set in for you, you really had a visual to circumvent the dense feeling of this contribution and fulfillment.

    And then you even extrapolated that into how it fits with the torch and how you can radiate this flame and how people can come to you. All of these things stemmed from a dichotomy that we discovered that in you contribution battled fulfillment, and in other people that might have not been the same.

    [01:18:34] Luke: Absolutely. And then, and then as you reconnect me to that, because that's, that's actually even, again, part of this tool, right, was it allowed me not only these reference points that helped me to see the dichotomy, the, the choices that were in front of me at any given time. But then as, uh, as we then, uh, you give you the visual of, of the outstretched hand, uh, and wait a minute, if you're not gonna reach out, what is it gonna be?

    And that hand to the chest, that hand of the heart, has been something I've used in multiple ways throughout many years, not just recently. And what it gave me was a very physiological way. Of anchoring this bigger conversation that we'd been having so that I could feel, wait a minute though. I can hold that light.

    Meaning hold the space for what was unfolding and for what I wanted to be able to offer out in the way of light to any of these situations or circumstance or what have you. But now it's something that, you know, can emanate, it can radiate, it can come from here as opposed to me going here and going here and going here and going here.

    That's why I'm trying to articulate this for, for everybody. When you can take something inherent to your design, then begin to understand that what's inherent to your design can then still show up in many ways that may or may not be balanced for you. This might lead to a whole other conversation, but I could seek to make, let me use impact since that's a, a clear part of who I am.

    I can try to make impact. In a manner that is imbalanced for my design, which for me was leading with contribution, meaning leading with the outstretched hand, leading by trying to do these things and contribute to create the impact. I was doing that, but ultimately that was not imbalance with the truth of who I am.

    Or I could try to create that impact through connecting into that sense of fulfillment and really getting into that state of feeling what it was that wanted to come through, and then allow that to inform the way that I ended up moving forward. And now all of a sudden I can do that in a place of balance and it feels that way for me.

    And I make that distinction because everything about the essence of who we are in our. In one way or another. And, and Nik, you tell me, cause you may have a different perspective, but I, I think I'm on track here. To me, every aspect of who we are and what our, our design, it's gonna play out in our life, it's gonna show up.

    The question then becomes, is it showing up in a way that's in alignment, is in balance, it is healthy for you? Or is it going to show up and be fulfilled in a manner that is imbalanced, that is not healthy, but come hell or high water, that design is gonna get fulfilled and now we're doing it through unconscious means.

    And that's, that friction is only gonna allow you to go for so long.

    [01:21:22] Nik: Absolutely. Not only that friction that you put on yourself to master this design, but also the friction that this is absolute, that if you're not following X, Y, z, that your life isn't gonna be going smooth or that you start to use it as a, a blame.

    Like, you know, this person is not doing this and so I'm not doing this and, and it's a self-fulfilling prophecy. Right? Yeah. So a big part of this as well is, is recognizing that there's no right way for everyone to do this. But what happens is when we start to integrate little bits and pieces of our design, a as a, a contemplate of truth, um, this is when we can start to adapt it.

    And that's why even with human design in particular, um, there's the branch off of gene keys because human design is very much around reading charts. Whereas gene Keys is a self conative exploration through this different form of the design, and they're using the exact same system. So another thing I wanted to bring a little bit of awareness to that I've been building this system to try and avoid is homogenization, which is everyone believing that projectors are all the same, that Taurus is all the same, that this is all the same.

    This is how we do it. There's a masterclass. As long as every single person follows the words to a t, society will go tickety, boo. I don't believe that. That's how this works. I believe. There's a certain timeline for our, even our ability to integrate these things, right? Um, we think about even the session we were having about this, uh, the, the torch, the outstretched hand versus the, actually this was two sessions.

    One session was about the torch, another one was about the lighthouse, the fulfillment and contribution. But this was in relativity to your Saturn opposition, you know? And, and this happens, you know? Um, what would this be? Every 40. Six years or so, 45, 46 years. Um, yeah, 45 years, let's say for an easy number.

    So because you were going through this phase shift in your life that we all go through, you know, based on the celestial clockwork, this wisdom now became inherently relevant to this moment, which means that you could say, oh, I wish I had known this 20 years ago. But all of the patterns and systems and conditions that brought you here are all still valid.

    And the fact that you got this epiphany now and this direct application at this time when you did is not a coincidence. So this is also where I wanna give people the relief, and that there's also no real timeline on mastering your design or removing your conditioning, or, you know, if I would've known this 20 years ago, my life would've been far more successful.

    There is a divine timing to things. And what comes along with all of this is right now you are at a position when this esoteric tool. Would be most useful because you couldn't live in that old paradigm anymore. So what made this an esoteric tool? You had a visual, you had a sensory action that you could apply to that, and you had an emotional experience of what the tool was applied to.

    You could feel contribution, you could feel fulfillment. You know when you feel stuck or angry that things aren't moving forward. You know when you feel at peace that you're feeling fulfilled. So what distinguishes an esoteric tool is taking these general concepts, funneling through what you are going through right now at this exact time.

    And then making it a sensory experience for you that is relevant, that you can pull up at any moment. To me, that is the most valuable application of these systems to keep us from getting caught in the right way of doing it and the homogenized way of doing it, and instead realizing this is each person's individual experience and a timeline of their life.

    There's a lot of things that imbue that beyond what our mind can understand.

    [01:25:06] Luke: Yeah. I want to use maybe this, this kind of last portion of time for ourselves to, to broaden out based on something you just brought up, which is whether we want to call it the celestial clockwork or divine timing. Uh, there's an element here that has also become very, very true for me, or certainly through my, my lived experience has become very, very true for me is that for most of my decades, it was about trying to make things happen on a particular schedule in time.

    Right. Uh, and I got really well rewarded for that. I was really good at doing that inside of business and managing companies and projects and everything else. Uh, I was rewarded for, cool. We wanna get this done in six months. We're getting this done in six months. And, and, you know, powering through those types of things.

    And yet when it comes to our development and even beyond just our development, even truly, even in business and all facets of life, there is a broader timing that is. in some way needs to be more respected than we have honored it with in certainly the, the more modern era. And so I've used everything from the example of, of the fact that we need to pay attention to the changing of the seasons, right?

    That we do not live in perpetual summer. Okay. Unless maybe we're in San Diego, but we don't live in perpetual summer and they, they don't even live in perpetual summer . And we go through these changes of season because there is meant to be these cycles that are recurring within our universe. The one of the seasons specifically is reminding us of that process of, you know, birth life, death.

    Going into, into death, and then the rebirth cycle, uh, it is something that's there. And we go through these different phases throughout the course of our lives. And to me, the more that we start to pay attention to the, this, what feels like the divine timing or life's timing for us as it begins to unfold is becoming more and more relevant to me, or at least more and more felt to me because it doesn't feel like I'm trying to force my way through the way things are happening and instead to work with it, right, to be in the flow of the river as opposed to trying to, to direct the river in a, in a given way.

    And so I'm just wondering if you could share a little bit more on that sense of, of how we. Begin to get a sense of our rhythms, of our timing and how that relates to a broader, even more collective, you know, experience. Because there's, you know, 7 billion of us humans on the planet, and we are only one of however many millions or billions of species there are on this planet.

    Um, so it's this huge living ecosystem with all of these different timings and everything else. So, Take us a little bit through maybe the discussion around personal timing and finding our rhythms, and then just how does that relate in a broader, maybe more collective sense?

    [01:27:52] Nik: Well, our personal timing is, again, very much usually based on action.

    You know, when it comes down to our personal timing, it's when we've chosen to solidify something in our real life via an action. Um, before that, it's a lot of thoughts, a lot of conversations, feelings, ideas. But once we take an action, we like to say that that's the timing. Like this thing has happened now.

    So when we talk about our own individual personal timing, this is where the designs can be really helpful. But also to recognize that our own personal timing is completely of our own personal agenda, which means that our personal timing and our own personal agenda, while we can relate to one another and collaborate with one another.

    It's kind of existing in a bit of a vacuum. We're creating our own personal experience with our own awareness and with our own interactions, whereas we're part of, like you said, a greater ecosystem. So when I talk about the Celestial clockwork, um, which is a term I actually got from an album, a hip hop album from the early two thousands, it's called Celestial Clockwork by Illogic.

    Um, what I kind of saw as the broader theme of that is we're sitting in a clock and we jumped into this clock at this specific time, in this specific place on this specific date, and that gave us our stamp, that gave us our vantage point that we're gonna see the entire world from. And every person has their own stamp.

    Every person has their own vantage point, which means our collective experience is being influenced at the same time. But we're all being influenced in different ways now. We're also part of a generation, if we were to apply this to the outer planets that move really slowly, each chunk. Of generation that correlates with the outer planets.

    You know, like the 20 year, well, it's like eight to 20 year cycles of Pluto. We got 14 year cycles of Neptune, seven year cycles of, uh, of Uranus being in each sign. Um, this is going to characterize the theme of that generation. So when we talk about the broader timing of things, we have to be aware that we're all part of a greater clockwork and we're all part of our generational influence.

    Our generation is here to accomplish something. Society goes in cycles and phases. So our own personal timing is also just basically how we feel we fit in our generational timing. What is our role within our generation and how do our generational roles interact with one another? Now, you don't have to relate this specifically to the planets.

    Again, we all have our own free will and we all have our own timing for things. But the more that people have started to acknowledge things like. The eclipses of the solstice is when the days are getting shorter versus longer. When people start to recognize when Mercury is in retrograde or Mars is in retrograde, that there is a really distinct feeling when those shifts happen, when you start to be informed of them.

    And what happens even beyond that is when people aren't informed of them, they're still sort of aware that things are happening, but they don't have anything to apply that to consciously. So our own timing is an ability to apply our consciousness to an action. It's our own personal timeline, but our timeline fits in the greater timeline of how things are working.

    And when we say hindsight is 2020, what we're really saying is there really couldn't have been any other way. And, and you know, we try and rationalize this when we go through tragedy in our life that there couldn't have been a reason for that or that there had to have been a reason for that. But that's all part of our timing as well.

    Our timing is the experience of learning. As we move through this life, as the clock continues to tick, and while the clock continues to tick, we still stay from that same vantage point, but we grow from it and we learn from it, and we change and we evolve. So our divine timing, or the celestial clockwork is our ability to respond to the unique nuances of our design, whether that be our feelings of flow, our feelings of resistance, and how we chose to turn that into what we do in this life and how we interact with one another.

    [01:31:59] Luke: Nik, I appreciate that deeply. Uh, it's, as I said before, it's one of those things that the more that I continue to learn, the more awareness as I connect to, and the more that I begin to interact with all the ways I'm getting informed about my design, it feels like things are taking on this more fluid feel to the way that life is unfolding.

    And, you know, we, the more I get aware of when it feels like I'm creating force or resistance or those types of things that stand in the way of what's trying to unfold, uh, I'm now aware of those in a very, very different way than I have been before. Um, and I can relate that now to, to my actual design. I can relate it to the way that I'm interacting with and, and relating, uh, in this, in these really beautiful ways so that I can look.

    And I'll use the example of resistance because that it was exactly that resistance that led to the whole conversation on, uh, contribution and fulfillment for me, and helped me begin to parse it, you know, tease it apart to understand it in really practical ways. And sure enough, the more that I begin to understand that, then all of a sudden I can see things in my life differently and I can begin to interact with those things in my life very differently and allows it to unfold into the next stage.

    And so, uh, it seems like it's all unfolding in sync as it's meant to. Uh, and you guys can decide, is that happening because of the ways the planets are moving or is it happening simply because the ways we've been informed? I don't know if it matters, . I think what it matters is the fact that it is that way.

    And the more that we learn, the more that we integrate, we can use that within our own design and within the way that we uh, choose to live in this world.

    [01:33:31] Nik: I always relate this to the weather to make it as simple as possible. Yeah. So if you look outside and it's a rainy day, that might influence your mood.

    It might influence what you do with your day. It might influence how you dress, but you still have the free will to do whatever you want with your day, no matter what the weather of that day is. I feel like the planets work the same. We're. This weather report and we're all interacting with that weather in our own unique way.

    Some people are born for rainy days, that's why they live in Seattle. Some people are not, and that's why they don't. So, you know, this is where we're talking about that everyone's got their own environments, their own timing, their own placement. And what comes along with all this as well, is just the awareness that we have our free will, which is absolute.

    That's why these designs are not something that govern our life entirely. They're just ways that we can frame our own experience through so that we can make a more conscious example of. How we respond to the weather, how we act in regards to the weather, and knowing that that weather is going to change.

    So that's one of the biggest things that happens when you do a session or any of these things, is the shift of perspective. It's just like if you were to go on a trip or if someone were to try a psychedelic experience. When you come out of that experience, you're at a different vantage point. You're seeing things from a different point of view, and that's the fundamental basis of all of these systems, is just to take you out of any sort of a rigid point of view or give you enough different points of view that you can come up with the big picture yourself.

    That's why we're not here to just tell you things that you can Google, but to use this information to make it relevant for you so you can feel that you're responding, uh, to the weather and to your own life within a way that feels conscious and empowered and, and right for you.

    [01:35:15] Luke: Nik, I wanna thank you for coming on this walk and for all the perspective, all the vantage points that you have opened up for me.

    Certainly. And I know that you have opened up for the listeners and kind of tuning into this, uh, this experience, this conversation. Uh, and I thank you for, uh, for being here, for doing what you do.

    [01:35:32] Nik: Thanks, Luke. It's been a lot of fun chatting with you and I'm always happy to. For

    [01:35:37] Luke: everybody just to, to be aware.

    You're gonna, you're gonna be seeing Nik again. We got more conversations to have here. Uh, and as always, check the show notes because you're gonna be able to get some more information on Nik there and learn where he is, how to find him, all those types of wonderful things. And so, as always, I wanna thank you once again for tuning in to on this walk.

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Feliz Borja